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[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml -5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At least they retained the USamerican values after kicking them out

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The Taliban were assholes long before 9/11.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Taliban were US-backed and US-funded long before 9/11.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's a common assumption that's based in "they're all the same over there" style of racism.

The group the US backed in the 80s was the mujaheddin, which went to form the government which the Taliban (a separate group) all but overthrew. The last remnants of the pre-Taliban Afghanistan government was called the Northern Alliance, which was allied with the US when fighting the Taliban.

It was politically convenient for the left to along with a racist narrative to score cheap political points against Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld etcl. And yeah, fuck those guys for sure, but it was wrong to go along with a racist narrative to do so. Because of the "they're all the same over there" kind of racism in both the left and right of the US, there wasn't much chance for any kind of success in defeating the Taliban.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 7 points 9 months ago

It's not racist to be aware of the fact that the US supported the Taliban after the fall of the Mujaheddin.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The only difference is time IMO. Same people. Same views. Just changed their name and fought against different people for different reasons. They will all still stone you to death for teaching math to women, they just disagree on who should be the caliph.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

Yes that "they're all the same over there" is a common opinion.

Can't win a war when you can't tell the difference between friend or foe. Which is why the US lost to the Taliban.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I suppose they think something similar about your govt

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, so? There are many assholes in the world, you know. Pointing at some other group of assholes doesn't make the Taliban not assholes.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml -4 points 9 months ago

Very insightfull. Is that a quote from Nietzsche?