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Nikki Haley sides with Alabama Supreme Court on IVF ruling: 'Embryos, to me, are babies'
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We are now literally one step from "ovulation is murder."
That's not an exaggeration. The only step past "IVF embryos are babies" is "ovulation kills a baby."
Technically, ovulation without fertilization would be the benchmark.
Also, you probably can't miscarry. Which happens 10-15% of the time on average, and is much higher for some individuals.
These people are out to lunch. How stupid, uneducated, and emotional could someone possibly be?
The only people who are stupider are undecided or non-voters.
Not to mention the statistic that ~50% of fertilized eggs fail to implant. So getting your period may be evidence of murder.
Probably even higher, closer to 70%, of the time.
Last data I saw was 50, but if it is actually closer to 70 that means it is impossible to kill more babies than God does.
I just went and checked some studies on the matter. 70% of fertilized eggs fail to go to further embryonic stages and 85% of those are because of uterine wall implantation complications. So, the answer is right in between us, it's 60%.
Five years from now, red states will have laws that say every woman's menstrual tissue must be collected for analysis in case the egg was fertilized without implanting. If this happens, she will be charged with murder.
Oh, and women will still need to buy their own menstrual products and pay sales tax on them.
You don’t have to ban menstruation just make it $5000 per tampon
God, tell me about it. I've seen so many reactionary takes with what's going on in Gaza and the US support for it, insisting they're staying home over it, when if they thought out the problem for like 5 seconds more, they'd realize what absolute children they're being.
Not only is not voting going to result in America taking a MORE extreme stance on Gaza, but it also invites endless suffering from this and other extremist positions, that will hurt us, our families, and our loved ones. Real fucking strategery there guys. I really hope I'll have it in me to rub their faces in the inevitable consequences, but realistically I'll be too much of a shell to care after seeing everyone I love suffer.
This works in their favor as these pieces of shit also love the prison ~~slavery~~ labor system we implement to feed major corporations with ~~slave~~ free labor.
The more ridiculous felonies they can pin on people the more ~~slaves~~ cheap labor they provide.
The cheek cells in spit have a full set of chromosomes and given the right conditions could be turned into a growing embryo. Guess that means dentists are mass murderers now, all those little potential lives going down that suction tube of death.
I think they draw the line at fertilization, but everybody does loves to shift their goalposts on the hill they choose to die on.
"Fertilization" is a continuum, not a moment in time. I know everyone thinks of that magic moment when the one sperm breaks through the outer membrane, from the video we all watched in 7th grade. But that "moment" could be anytime during a span of days, and there are a hundred "moments" before and after that determine whether the egg will be viable and attach to the uterine wall. And then there are a thousand more moments that determine if the uterus is hospitable and the mother capable of supporting a pregnancy to term. And then there are a million more moments between when the pregnancy begins and the baby is born and separated from the mother. Until that point, objectively, it is not yet an independent person.
It's not just shifting goalposts. Fertilization is a line in the sand under water. Theoretically, you could say it exists, but you're going to have to redraw the line every time you try to find it, and it's gone pretty much as soon as you look away.
Anyone who chooses to die on that hill is a religious fruitcake, devoid of value as a thinking human.
They are certainly not serious people, but unfortunately that won't prevent them from passing and executing policy with serious consequences.
They draw the line at women having equal rights.
When have they ever drawn a line?