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Veganism is not technology. Also meat tastes delicious for most of the regular population. Proceeds to nom a chicken
There has been some research to make products that are compatible with veganism e.g. lab-grown meat. The latest technological discovery in the news was 'meaty rice'
Disclaimer: I also eat meat since I don't trust my intestines to fully rely on plant-based nutrients. I do, however, think there is merit to how the industrialization of farming has been destroying the environment, especially with the excess of methane from cattle.
We should be focusing on making orbital platforms where to keep the cattle so they don't pollute rather than not focusing on non space stuff. Smh.
I have a better solution to get a meaty taste that is 100% practical and actually being used for millions of years, even before humans existed: Just eat meat.
It's not necessarily the meaty "taste". Many people have health complications with their digestive systems (one example I can think of is Celiac's) that can make it near-impossible to get nutrients from plant-based food. If you can grow meat in the lab, you can get animal-sourced nutrients without hurting animals (for vegans) nor large resources that are typically used for climate-damaging meat industries (for everyone)
I know a medicine for diseases like that and you can get it pretty much everywhere, it's called "Just eat meat", it's been working for millions of years.
Meat tastes delicious to vegans too! It's just that it's unconsciouble to purposely destroy the planet just for the taste!
How do you vegans know what meat taste like? You have to eat it to know what it tastes like, but if you eat meat, then are you a vegan?
Not to mention vegans keep saying they don't like eating meat, and yet you go out of their way to attempt to make food look and taste like "meat". So do you want to eat meat or not? Pick a lane, vegans.
Oh and humans ain't gonna save or destroy the planet simply by eating meat. The earth doesn't need us saving it, it's the human that will go extinct due to our own actions. The planet will live on way after we're gone, and new life will appear. The earth was able to survive billions of years before us, it WILL continue to survive looooooong after we go extinct.
I wasn't born a vegan, most vegans aren't. I ate meat, and I've since stopped eating meat. What an unusual argument to make.
Do you think vegans don't eat meat because they don't like the taste, and are trying to convince others that meat tastes bad? Vegans don't eat meat because of the harm it causes to animals and the planet. If I could have meat without that harm, I would eat it. That's why I eat food that emulates the taste and texture of meat. It sounds like you don't understand veganism at all, or are a very lazy troll.
No but it's a bloody good start, and why not do it? I'm not worried about the earth, it will go on. But I'm concerned for the literally millions upon millions of people who'll die from climate change caused by animal agriculture. I know you're clearly not concerned about needless animal suffering, but are you not concerned for human suffering either?
So other animal races can eat other animals but the human race, which is also animal in case you didn't know, cannot eat other animals? Talk about literal interspecies racism.
Animals also rape other animals. We shouldn't look to animals to check our moral compass. Animals eat other animals out of necessity, in order to survive. We as humans no longer need to do that, and have the mental capacity to choose not to.
If you still choose to kill and eat animals, purely to satisfy your tastebuds, then you are immoral. It's as simple as that.
Ah yes, raping, an activity that is the perfect comparison to eating meat. And yet everyone doesn't get arrested for eating meat, the justice system is more corrupted than I thought.
And as a species that has been around for 2.5 million years, we just started eating meat recently and definitely not for the last 2.4 million years. It's a miracle that we evolved instantly from a bunch of apes eating nothing but plants to omnivores with complex history and advanced technology in just a mere 2 thousand years.
Maybe having a brain the size of an orange ain't so bad, we definitely should evolve backward to that since we were able to survive for 2.498 million years without meat after all.
I'm not suggesting that rape and the act of killing and eating animals are equivalent. You listed the fact that "animals kill animals, we are animals" as justification for doing so. I posit that, using that logic, "animals rape animals, we are animals" is broken justification for rape.
Also the fact we have been doing something for millions of years is not justification to continue doing so. We've indiscriminately murdered people for millions of years, you wouldn't accept that as justification for murder.
Consumption of meat was certainly beneficial to our ancestors, as protein was hard to reliably attain. Now it isn't, we have access to all kinds of reliable plant protein.
To now make the conscious choice to kill and eat animals, ONLY for ones pleasure, is immoral.
Not only eating meat is the same thing as raping but also murdering people? Maybe PETA should take over the world and throw billions of people in jail then. Our ancestors must be really disappointed to know that they spent millions of years of evolution climbing to the top of the food chain just for you people to jump back down to the bottom.
I recommend you eat at least three times the portion of your precious beans to somewhat match the nutrients of a normal meal for a normal person. And actually season your "food" please, I'm very opening minded about food and try everything before judging, but yours are just so tasteless than even good old water has more flavor. Even a broke colleague student's meal is nowhere as sad as yours.
Whoa, this certainly got very ad-hominem all of a sudden.
As I've said earlier, I'm not drawing a moral equivalence between killing animals and rape, I'm suggesting your faulty "logic", (the Appeal To Nature Fallacy) can be used to justify anything animals and humans have historically done. And now you suggest you'd eat animals so as not to disappoint cavemen. A very bizarre argument. Although as I've said at the top, there is no valid argument against veganism.
Now you surely realise you eat vegan food every day? Fruit is vegan. Vegetables are vegan. Most indian food is at least vegetarian, which I'm sure you'd agree doesn't "taste like water". You know what is quite tasteless? Meat. Without all those vegan seasonings and spices, it's surprisingly bland. As for protein, funnily enough I actually had a seitan steak tonight, cooked it on my BBQ. It's 75% protein which is literally more than any meat.
It seems as though you're getting a bit agitated, trying to provoke a bit of flame out of me perhaps. So maybe it's best left there then.
Hold up, you vegan think everyone else eat nothing but meat? LOL, every heard of something called "a balanced diet"? Don't tell me you people actually believe you are herbivores and everyone else are pure carnivores. You might wanna google "omnivores", mate. Fun fact: Human isn't the only omnivore species on earth, so why don't you and your beloved PETA go and try to convert all of them to vegans so you can "save the planet".
Before you go, would you kindly tell which school you went to so I don't send my kids there?
Meat used to taste delicious.
I was raised pescatarian and started eating a little bit of meat in university, it was pretty good. I could definitely understand the hype, meat was pretty delicious. But for me personally, I just don't get the craving for it. Eventually I just ended up going back to a near vegan diet because it's what I like to cook, and it's so cheap. I'm not vegan, but 99% of what I've cooked at home in the last 10 years is.
However, I was craving charcoal chicken for like two weeks straight, so the other day my friends and I rode down to the place everyone goes to. We made a proper day of it with our bikes and picnic blankets. The chicken was cooked perfectly, really moist and falling off the bone. The seasoning on the skin was delicious, I can see why that place is so popular.
But the chicken had no flavour of its own.
Taste wise, it could have been anything cooked with the seasoning rub over the charcoal spit. A block of tofu would have had the same flavour.
Texture is the only unique experience, and I'm sure there will be a brand of meat replacement out there that has nailed the texture (but not nailed the taste) so it really isn't long now until there are viable alternatives. I haven't really tried many meat replacement products because I'm allergic to potato and e160c and those two ingredients are in a surprising number of vegan packaged proteins.
I was disappointed with my chicken. I thought maybe I'd over sold it in my mind, as my friends confirmed that yup, this is good chicken, I'm being picky. But when I said "it's just not as good as I remember from uni" and then my friends did a full 180° and agreed that yes, in the last 10 years since I've had chicken like this, meat quality has gone downhill, and chicken isn't good anymore, but what we were eating was good chicken, and that they all still like chicken, even though it's disgusting by direct comparison.
Now I'm curious how different the quality is between home raised chickens vs store bought chicken meat. Because it's got to be insane, even if both birds are the same species of heart attacks on legs.
My brother raised chickens and we went to his place for a dinner with one of the chickens he raised. It was probably the best chicken I have ever had. The store chicken barely holds a candle.
Now this was probably over 10 years ago, and I know the farm chickens have "improved" but the improvements are more... for production. Not for quality and taste.