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Oldest wooden spear known to exist | Schöningen, Germany (400,000 BCE) (media.kbin.social)
submitted 8 months ago by Bsher8365@lemmy.world to c/stick@sh.itjust.works
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cross-posted from: https://kbin.social/m/HistoryArtifacts/t/834466

Oldest wooden spear known to exist | Schöningen, Germany (400,000 BCE)

More information: https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior/getting-food/oldest-wooden-spear

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[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

This wooden spear is 400,00 years old

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clacton_Spear

The Schöningen spears have been updated to 300,000 years old

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%B6ningen_spears

[–] PoopingCough@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Actually if you read the part where they date these spears they give a range that includes as far back as 400,000. So it might be older or might not be.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Re-read it again.

The age of the spears, originally assessed as being between 380,000 and 400,000 years old was estimated from their stratigraphic position

However, more recently, thermoluminescence dating […] date the spears to between 337,000 and 300,000 years old, placing them at the end of the interglacial Marine Isotope Stage 9.

All studies place the spears in the Holstein interglacial, which is commonly correlated to either of the mentioned marine isotope stages, MIS 11 (424–374 thousand years ago) and MIS 9 (337–300 thousand years ago).

I’ve edited it for clairty. Let me summarise this.

  1. Originally assumed to be 400,000 years old due to location.

  2. Later testing shows 300,000 years.

  3. All studies so far say that they are either of these two ranges.

Point 3 is a nothing statement because scientists disagree and thus we have leave it open-ended, even though actual testing of the site points to 300,000 years.

tl;dr: We assumed it was 400,000. We tested and it was actually 300,000. We cant confirm 100%, so we will say it could be either.

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

so, we have at least 2 common interests : aigen and sticks 🤣

the earliest and the latest tools :)

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Haha hopefully not the last tool we make.

I was walking in a forest today and there was so many sticks i wanted to pick up! I had to leave them because animals need them more than I do.

Someone even stacked them so I took a photo
https://imgur.com/dRRftWK

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

i made a rather reliable stick from a broken holly branch I've found years ago. When i enter the forest with a "walking stick" already in hand, i no longer feel that need to pick up sticks

somehow hacked that strange desire to pick up sticks 🤷

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Both used extensively for crude pornography.

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you think of pornography when somebody talks about printing too?

or the internet?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

You may want to sit down for this.