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The world has experienced its hottest day on record, according to meteorologists.

The average global temperature reached 17.01C (62.62F) on Monday, according to the US National Centres for Environmental Prediction.

The figure surpasses the previous record of 16.92C (62.46F) - set back in August 2016.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 90 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Every person living in a democracy can make a difference with their VOTE. Only vote for people who have plans and intentions of bringing change. Vote at all levels, and vote whenever you get an opportunity. Ask what candidates in municipal elections think about the climate emergency. Organize. Talk to doubters. We can do this.

[–] gthutbwdy@lemmy.sdf.org 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

If voting worked, we would have solved this issue decades ago. You can vote for whomever you want, but at the end, no matter what they promise, they always end up doing nothing at all, because they are elected by using big oil donations.

Only a self-organized revolution can stop this madness, people in some nations are already blocking oil tankers and oil rigs. We can't win by only voting, you can vote for a day every few years, but we need to fight this everyday. Take turns blocking streets so no oil driven trucks and cars pass, only this will make an effect.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both. We need both. Voting matters. Grassroots organization matters. Now is absolutely not the time to give up on democracy. It is also absolutely not the time to give up on mass organizing at the grassroots. Both, we need both.

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[–] theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 1 year ago (15 children)

The idea that nonviolent protest works has been the most harmful idea in history

[–] ericbomb@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean nonviolent protests DO work.

Non-disruptive DOES NOT work though.

MLK Jr didn't peacefully sit in a park. They ran boycotts, sit ins, shut down streets, trespassed into white only areas, and drove businesses insane.

If MLK Jr was your enemy you were going to have a miserable time when he rolled into town.

Ghandi had people illegally burn documents and basically smuggled salt against all regulations.

[–] TassieTosser@aussie.zone 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

MLK had the Black Panthers and Nation of Islam as looming threats. Gandhi is also the one who said "pacifism without violence is not pacifism, it is helplessness." A violent counterpart to a non-violent movement helps by being the stick to the non-violent carrot.

[–] ericbomb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That's fair, but either way we gotta give up on this nondisruptive nonsense.

Gathering on the park outside of the white house at a time they agreed to doesn't do anything and why it's encouraged.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

See US Constitution, Amendment 2 for another example of backing peace with capability of violence to earn respect.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can assure you the US Government is not quaking in their boots at the thought of Billy Bob's basement arsenal.

[–] JudgeHolden@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Especially since those guys are pretty much all lard-asses. There's a reason why every competent military on the planet emphasizes physical fitness before anything else; it's because real combat --as opposed to playing paintball with your fatbody friends-- is one of the most physically and psychologically punishing activities known to man.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Indeed. As 101st infantry alumni, I'm well aware. Having been on both sides, military combat arms and a civilian gun owner, I find the 'defense against the government' idea around the 2nd amendment to be laughable. If they thought you were an actual threat they'd drone strike you out of existence, and you'd be a bullet point on an after action report. They own us now and they know it, that's why everything is going to shit, and it's why we were warned about the rise of the IMC. If only my younger self had been educated about that, I may not have joined up. Hmmm maybe there's a link there?!?! I wonder.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But it’s not about defending against the government. It’s about deterring the government. A pufferfish can’t defend against a shark, but by being spiky it deters the shark from attacking it.

Surely they teach this distinction in military training?

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No they pretty much just taught us how to kill shit. In all seriousness, do you honestly believe that's the case? That the US federal government is deterred by an armed public? Because I don't think they give a shit, at all.

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[–] mordred@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] spread@programming.dev 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Honestly voting now is to little too late. The Overton window isn't anywhere near the point of allowing actually meaningful change and the 4-5 year cycle of voting is too slow. If we really want to solve anything, the change should be systemic. Still, voting is important.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.one 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We need some harsh mandates. Look at what Work From Home did for wildlife and emmisions in a short amount of time.

We need that style of change. Big, bold, and life altering.

[–] killa44@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

But what about the feelings of the rich people? They might not like that!

[–] ShakyPerception@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

And their quarterly profits!

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Of course voting alone won't do it. We need a lot more. Holding billionaires to account will go a long way as well.

[–] zombuey@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think its a statistical loss if we rely on denocracy. The stupid far outnumber the rational.

[–] TheDubz87@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the greedy outnumber us both. As long as these companies are lining politicians pockets, they will only act like they're trying.

[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The "momentarily-embarrassed millionaires" don't help, either.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Relying on democracy without participating in democracy is the only way to fail democracy.

[–] fubbernuckin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You may be underestimating how many stupid people there are.

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[–] SlowNoPoPo@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sadly no, show me a political party that the us, china or India could realistically vote for that would substantially reduce emissions in the next 10 years

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ArcticCircleSystem@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Now let's see them actually do it, and hold the fascist scumbags trying to do a coup and commit genocide against trans people accountable in a court of law for that matter. ~Strawberry

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[–] tlf@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Individual action also works. Its pretty easy to get information about what you can do and show those less inclined that it's not hell to live on the other side. The IPCC has that part as well if anyone is looking for the impact their changes can have: https://news.sky.com/story/climate-change-what-does-the-ipcc-mean-by-choice-architecture-and-can-it-change-our-behaviour-12582739

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Great link. Thank you!

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