Hej :) I have cycled through Scandinavia and fell in love with scandinavia, I am planing on moving to Scandinavia but I can not decide on which country. Actually i was Planung to move to Sweden and also speak A2 level Swedish but the government is more on the right wing side.
I am F. early 20 asian looking human rights activist deeply believe in a cosmopolitan system, democracy, care a lot about the lgbtq+ community and dislike „Asian“ style parenting and that family hierarchy stuff.
I am afraid of racism and disacceptance for me as a human being.
As German, people here can be quite racist, Germans never saw me as German, often ask me where I „really“ from, kids on the street do Asian eye gesture… even my friends often ask me about Asian country and culture related stuff. I have just as much knowledge as most of the Germans do. Why is that different?
So which of these two countries might suit me better? Or maybe none of them?
I offer: skiing skills, alpine climb experience, love for licorice, dried fish and BUTTER. Out going, activism for human rights, love big dogs, MBA in mathematics, ironman distance Triathlet, lifeguard license, bad dad jokes! a living 4 year old sourdough starter! I can make 11 different German breads. Please take me Scandinavia 😅
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The original was posted on /r/sweden by /u/Squirrelventure at 2023-07-05 10:41:15+00:00.
Ok-Replacement-6457 at 2023-07-05 15:43:54+00:00 ID:
jqroopuI dunno, maybe I'm bitter. Been to both Norway and Sweden, studied with a lot of Norwegians abroad.
If you don't speak scandinavian but have a thick german accent and act german, people are probably gonna think you're german when you open your mouth.
Bathrobe to aldi or lidl is a no no also in Scandinavia :P
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 16:34:18+00:00 ID:
jqrwb7gHaha in bathrobe to aldi is also no no in Germany :D But I am really interested in : what is considered as act German? Wearing leather trousers with these weird felt hat drinking beer all day long and eat big chunks of meat? (I am really curious, it’s always interesting to see what other nations think of its own nation :) )
Ok-Replacement-6457 at 2023-07-05 19:49:04+00:00 ID:
jqsqcglWell drinking beer is definitely part of the image, except maybe Kölsch, but that's water and not beer.
In Sweden we associate a German accent with queen Silvia and given that's she's a conservative posh lady we also associate the accent and by extension Germans with conservative people (private, tidy). On the polar opposite of this are the German tourists who tend to drive caravans and rent cabins and belong to a completely different part of the economic spectrum. I.e. beer guts, drinking too much beer and alcohol, loud and cheerful.
In my own view there are a lot of little small giveaways that someone's German, besides the accent. These are some to me: Typically excellent at smalltalk (we call it cold talking, kallprat) but rather private and talking about actually personal things can even be considered rude. A sort of hierarchical view on society and the workplace, even if they belong to the lower end of it. I recognize your sense of being discriminated in Germany, not feeling like you're truly German, I've heard that described several times before.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 19:59:09+00:00 ID:
jqsrwjyOh wow i sense in this sense i maybe not a German after all 😅 I do not drink alcohol (am an athlete). Tidy maybe fits. Not posh at all: bathrobe to Aldi 🙈. Definitely not conservative, very liberal here huge on activism. Do not drive caravan only do cycling and camping(here comes tidy handy, always take care of the nature and take my trash with me). Dislike kallpratt especially stuff about weather?! If you got nothing to say then do not force that. I usually talk about deep philosophical and politics stuff. Do not bash on hierarchy (do not believe in hierarchy) only bashing about Danes :D but guess that’s why I do not feel welcomed. 😅 way too liberal and feminist.
Ok-Replacement-6457 at 2023-07-05 20:19:27+00:00 ID:
jqsv15xI think the sporting german is actually a stereotype too. Falls into the "ubermensch"-category. E.g. swim or cycle 6 times a week, always talk about your performance, restrict yourself to only eating this and that and believe in homeopathy and natural medicine and still haven't realized that chocolate muslibars aren't good for you even though they're musli and bought in a healthstore.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 20:56:54+00:00 ID:
jqt0uehYea I think I have been told by many French friends. Germans are super active even at an old age(70/80). Hm, i do talk a lot about my performances but mostly complaining instead of „bragging“. Do not like people who likes to brag -.- Homeopathy is pathetic, the only thing i like to avoid are antibiotics. These things are not super good. Better see if my Immunsystem can solve this on my own. If it goes to a very bad direction then I’ll eat antibiotics. With the Müslibars you are right. Many people snack in them. I only eat them while working out. But i am very curious how would you describe Swedes? Hope is okay for you i have asked.
Ok-Replacement-6457 at 2023-07-05 21:11:05+00:00 ID:
jqt30a7Swedes are terrible at small talk, socially inept and a bit awkward. They can be open about personal matters but incredibly difficult to become true friends with. They do not have much in the way of social activities, i.e. not many equivalents to apfelwein-festivals, oktoberfest, karneval or somesuch.
Swedes also tend to be sanctimonious, i.e. they love to show how they support different token issues (LGBTW, green energy, anti-racism) but at the end of the day they're no better than anyone else, sometimes quite the opposite. The end result doesn't matter either when it comes to this, what matters is that you can show others what a good person you are! Swedes never say they're better than other nations, but they sure think so and if you complain about Sweden people tend to get passive aggressive quick. Old Swedes in particular are prone to adhere to the law of "jante", i.e. you shouldn't think you are better than anyone else, know your place. This attitude has its upsides and downsides but has becomes increasingly a thing of the past.
Swedes tend to have a set vision of owning a house, 2 kids, a dog and a volvo (villa volvo vovve). Ideally 2 vacations per year. Quite few Swedes live up to this goal.
Swedes are not particularly loyal romantic partners, a life crisis, a new job offer, many things can be an excuse to ditch your loved one in Sweden. Individuality and narcissism often conquers love and loyalty here.
They're often good at English, better than Germans by comparison. They're consume large amounts of western media.
Swedes are often helpful, even if they are prone to "bystander effect".
Following rules is very important to Swedes, to some Swedes it doesn't matter if the end result is stupid or even disastrous. Rules are rules! Partly due to this Sweden is also full of terrible bureaucracy. Sometimes it's even worse than in Germany!