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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

it's not whataboutism to say Obama deported, killed, and tortured people. it's a fact, and it's relevant when discussing his legacy.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

What are your sources of information, specifically about his deportations and his immigration policy? Are you basing this on "everyone knows" type of knowledge, and finding it superior to someone relaying to you (edit: ~~firsthand~~) secondhand knowledge and a cited source with an argument?

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

feels like you're asking me whether I'm believing statistics over your anecdotes. I am. I am believing statistics over your anecdotes.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Okay, so you don't have a deep familiarity with the topic. It's okay, I'm not really an expert either. But, I've looked at the full statistics (I sent you a table), which add some extremely important facts to the "deporter-in-chief" quick one-liner criticism. And also, I have some secondhand experience with it, which is usually a pretty valuable thing to have when the anecdotes are used in addition to statistics.

So, where did you get your information? Is it just that you know the term "deporter-in-chief" and that deportations went up, because everyone knows those things, and that's it as far as what you know about the topic?

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough. If I apologize, will you answer the question I asked three times already, and address the statistics I sent and what I said about it?

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

an apology is due regardless of whether i give into your petulant demands.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm gonna take that as confirmation that you do, in fact, know literally one fact about Obama's whole immigration policy, and you're just planning to aggressively repeat it to other people and tell them that that's all they need to know about it, too.

Best of luck

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

you don't have a deep familiarity with the topic

wrong