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That's Capitalism, buddy. I'm advocating for Worker Ownership of their own labor, and collective ownership of the Means of Production. Personal Property is fine, but the end goal of Capitalism is everyone renting everything from a few Capitalists.
They tried it and people just sold their shares immediately to some guy buying them all and bought vodka and cigs
All I want nowadays is just equal opportunities to everyone to amass capital which probably would abolish inheritance first and then regulate market to protect from monopolies.
It’s a race and war but at least make the rules fair. Then those who win they win and lose they lose but it was a fair fight
Just make workers share ownership and unable to have unequal shares. Ez.
Do you clean your room?
On a more serious note, Communism is a future ideal, money would still exist until its possible to abolish. There are tons of writings on this that can help elaborate, why do you believe work must be done with monetary inventive?
Edit: oh yea, you're the landlord everyone called out a while ago, and rather than making any points to defend yourself you just pretended you were superior. Lmao
I clean my room because it gives me a feeling of order.
I do not work because i like work.
I work because i have to so that my children don't
You like the feeling of order, so you work. Seems like a non-monetary motivation for me.
You also think worker ownership of the Means of Production is Capitalism if it has profit, so I think you'd do better by actually researching what you talk about first.
No i like it when my room is orderly.
Learn to read.
Yes, and you aren't paid to do so. Sounds like non-monetary motivation.
Why do you think Socialism is Capitalism?
No, my motivatiopn is me thinking of myself. I would never in a million years go work in a mine if i didnt get compensated for it monetarily. I do more risky and hard work than a teacher so i should also be rewarded more than a teacher.
You're a landlord, lmao.
But either way, even if you're fully self-interested, you still work for non-monetary reasons.
Again, please address why you think Socialism is actually Capitalism, we can't even begin to discuss a future system like Communism if you can't even understand Socialism.
Where did i ever say socialism is capitalism? Are you twisting words so that your narrative works again? Typical communist
Right here: "I was specifically asking for communes and you show me coops that still have capitalist gain in mind. Delusional"
Worker co-operatives are Socialist structures, what separates Capitalism from Socialism is the distribution of ownership of the Means of Production.
Again, we cannot even hope to discuss a post-Socialist system like Communism without first understanding Socialism, and we can't discuss Socialism without understanding Capitalism. You don't even understand Capitalism if you equate it to profit.
If not single peerson owns = socialist? Are you 12?
Equal, collective ownership via workers is Socialist. You're pulling the superiority card because it's your way of avoiding actually having to logically comprehend Socialism, which is why anything you say can be tossed in the trash regarding leftism, or even Capitalism.
How convenient for you.
What's the point of you trying to engage with my comment first, then running away without actually saying anything?
You have no intention of discussing. Your intention is narcisistic belittlement of people you deem to be "the enemy".
I concede. You are the smarter person. You are grand.
What is Capitalism? What is Socialism?
Think about those questions before you mouth off next time, it'll go better for you.