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I don’t know how true this is. In my own experience most men I’ve interacted with in the past 10 years are more and more central and less solidly conservative over time. The trend seems to be moving towards liberal. Of course that could be where I live (suburbs in a 800K+ US city).
The graphs show that though? Most men go down to around the "0" line.
Am I reading it wrong? Down is more conservative, no?
Well yes, moderate is more conservative than liberal. The US line for men also seems to skirt around the center line, plus there's a reason MAGA people stand a chance so it brings down the average.
I guess what I’m saying is that it would be opposite from my experience. The line would historically be below 0 for men and overtime going up toward 0.
Perhaps more men seem to be getting sucked into manosphere / alt right circles since gamergate. But the US isn't homogeneous either.
At the same time perhaps in some circles men are coming to a better understanding of patriarchy and feminism and moving more liberal. So there is a growing divide but unfortunately in raw numbers there is a slight trend toward conservatism.
Still, I think the entire graph and the data, semantics, and methods behind it deserve scrutiny. Like, exactly what views are being considered? Are there more women becoming socialist? Or socially progressive? Or what?
Have you not noticed the rise in groups like Proud Boys, Patriot Front, and the Three Percenters? Patriot Front has people on overpasses waving signs in my area and they are in the news several times per year for marching in different cities. Just the other day they were recorded in New York City, unable to figure out how to swipe metro cards to get into the subway, so dozens of them charged on through without paying, so it isn’t like they are staying holed up in rural militia compounds out of sight. Far right extremism is both active and on the rise locally and globally.
I’ve always chalked that up to the vocal minority. I know literally no one that admits to being apart of that and just by talking to them you can pretty quickly sus out what they tend to believe politically. People love to tell you their political opinion for the most part.
Suburbs tend to be more progressive than exburbs which are more progressive than a city in Boomfuck, Kansas. I think that controlling for your personal environment might lead to a more objective perspective of the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias?lang=en
The line is where 'central' is
Right but I’m saying that in the past men were below the line and are moving up.
Trump had more white female and Hispanic voters his second run than the first.
I would take this data with a grain of salt. I'm sure this is self reported yes/no or excludes political vote markers. I'm not sure how they compiled the data when it shows it was simple yes/no to am I conservative or liberal at a glance.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/new-trump-poll-women-hispanic-voters-497199
More info because why not:
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/1053929419/feel-like-you-dont-fit-in-either-political-party-heres-why
https://theconversation.com/women-used-to-be-more-likely-to-vote-conservative-than-men-but-that-all-changed-in-2017-we-wanted-to-find-out-why-214019
https://1ft.io/proxy?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnytimes.com%2F2022%2F01%2F12%2Fopinion%2Fgender-gap-politics.html