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Reading these comments, it feels people are having a giant trolley problem moment. Do I vote for Biden and throw the switch so fewer people die, or do I not do it and let more people die, but at least I'm not complicit then?
Do you think people think about their culpability?
I mean, the argument "I don't want to vote for Biden since he's supporting a genocide, despite the fact my apathy may cause another person to get elected instead that supports more genocide" kinda sounds like that, yeah.
I am on the other side of the pond, so I have no vote there, but I don't know what I'd be doing. I voted in elections where the best idea I had was a protest vote. I voted for joke parties as well. I never voted for someone who openly supported genocide though. Feels like a deal with the devil at least, like allying yourself with Stalin to fight Hitler.
American here. It sucks. We often have a lesser of evil vote. I don't see an alternative. I'd vote for someone that ran on a platform of unfucking our elections / political parties. I have ill will toward both parties. It used to be very near equal, 15 or so years ago but through the tea party movement, into Trumpism, watching them ratfuck Obama out of 2 Supreme Court picks, then Jan6, smfh. I've lost all respect for Republicans. Dems have me in that respect because i have no other choice. That needs to change. That said...
I will go vote for Biden (and feel fine with it) because he's trying. He's pushing policy forward, even trying to reach across the aisle on important things. The other side of the aisle are clowns though and are doing some kind of performance art for their base rather than keeping the country running. Biden deserves my vote here. I don't see evidence of anything other than him trying to unfuck the nation and return stability. More of that please.
Also, he's not Trump. Fuck that traitor.
But choosing not to vote is also an action with consequences. It doesn't absolve anyone.
I would assume that's second option above and kind of the entire point of the trolley problem.
I can't stand Trump but the past 4 years have not convinced me this is the case. Under Biden the US is actively bombing civilians, supporting apartheid, disrupting global trade, and still imprisoning human beings at the mexican border.
Trump was ineffectual and isolationist - he could be the actual harm reduction choice through sheer incompetence.
BRUH, Trump formally recgonized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and not Tel Aviv.
Thinking he's gonna not give isreal anything they want. Evangelicals love to support israel because they think it'll help lead to rapture/end of the world where they'll be saved by god.
I don't think you have as good of a grasp on the nuances of trumps supporter base as you think.
Don't worry I won't be voting for Trump. My take on trump supporter base is they're typically older lazy boomers who want to yell at their TVs as trump "owns the libs." Look at january 6th his base literally had to be invited inside to invade the capital and they just stood around gawking lol. Utterly inept.
Recognizing Jerusalem didn't kill 25,000 Palestinians, but Biden has given unconditional support to civilian bombing in the middle east.
Neither candidate has done anything to convince me to vote for them. The sooner we all figure out voting isn't going to fix things, the better.
Didn’t it? It seems very plausible that Israel’s most powerful ally taking this huge step that no previous president was willing to take could have easily galvanized Hamas’s resolve and fanned the flames leading up to the recent attacks and resulting Israeli siege.
This shit has been going on for decades. It’s foolish to treat the recent events as an isolated incident, or to compartmentalize the repercussions of US foreign policy to individual presidential administrations.
No, people firing rockets and bullets killed 25,000 people. This is the real world where real things impact real lives, and Biden shipping billions of dollars worth of weapons enables them to continue killing, not names or lines on a map.
Definitely agree with you there, I think it's important for all of us to be educated about the history of American support for this cycle of abuse. I don't plan to vote for any person who continues to support the killing of innocent people suffering under an apartheid regime.