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Mommy's Choice (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 40 points 9 months ago (3 children)

They do think abortion is killing babies, just unborn babies. That's what half the argument comes down to. One side thinks it's "should it be legal to kill unborn babies?" and the other side thinks it's "should it be legal to end your pregnancy before it's a baby?" And it's hard to find a middle ground because the former thinks they're babies as soon as they're conceived and the latter thinks it's a good way later down the road.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Personally, I just don't think pregnant women need legal restrictions here. I imagine, ultra-conservatives think that more liberal women just have tons of unprotected sex and gladly risk getting pregnant, because they can just get an abortion.

But I've never seen that actually being a thing. Women will generally use some form of contraception to avoid getting pregnant in the first place. And if they do get pregnant, I have never heard of any woman, who took the decision to get an abortion lightly.

I believe that no woman will apply a lower moral standard to her unborn baby (or not-yet-baby, whatever) than our moral standards for human life in general.

Outright prohibiting abortion is not a higher moral standard, because you'll have many cases where the outcome is worse for everyone involved, e.g. when the baby is already dead, but cannot be removed.

[–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Women will generally use some form of contraception to avoid getting pregnant in the first place.

Hence why some people are talking about targeting contraception.

[–] jpeps@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

This is so worthwhile talking about. I used to struggle with this stuff quite a bit until realising what you've said here. The right frequently seems to mischaracterise pro-choice as pro-abortion, and that is completely wrong. No one likes abortion. And yet, it happens. Conservatives should do some introspection on those two facts.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And now the hard question, when does it become a baby?

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At some point between conception and birth, range inclusive.

I don't know. I'm not an expert, and the only experience I had with it was before I can remember.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 1 points 9 months ago

I think science cannot answer either, it's all continuous, so legal limits are rather arbitrary based on what's socially accepted.