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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
 

I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don't, you weren't paying attention.

Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton's campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we're being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election "We're about to get Brexited." I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980's.

Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They're the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump's mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.

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[–] archomrade@midwest.social 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If we keep trump out but do nothing else, we've only delayed a fascistic movement reaching the white house, not defeated it.

Biden needs to put forward actual policies that address the conditions that are fostering the violent fascistic rhetoric, not just so that he can win in November but so that we aren't dealing with a growing nationalism problem for the next cycle.

The people who are criticizing Biden now desperately want him to succeed by these measures, but don't believe he's yet done enough. Maybe if we were having this debate a month out from election day, then we should be panicked about the electoral calculus; but he has ample (or at least some) time to address the concerns being raised here. In a non-incumbent cycle, a primary would help refine the policy agenda for the general. So far all we've gotten is "we have to keep trump out".

That is not a winning agenda (no matter how true it is). It didn't work in 2016, and it likely won't work now. Biden needs something tangible to campaign on, and right now it's not clear that he has one.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They plan on doing the same thing they did in 2016. Beat voters over the head with "how great of a job we're doing" while ignoring voters real concerns, talking down to them, and generally leaning on "if you don't vote for us, you'll end up with a fascist who wants to kill you." Which in itself certainly feels like a threat. "We can skip the country to escape, you can't, better vote for us!" It's downright abusive and it has an unfortunately good chance at catching up with them this election and the only people who will pay are the US citizens.

Still voting for Biden anway. Don't really have a choice if I don't want fascism. Just don't like being bullied into it by the people I'm voting for while they smugly ignore my legitimate concerns.

[–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

The problem with that is that the Democratic party survives because it's part of a two-party system. So many GOP politicians deserve to be ousted via the 14th amendment, and Trump deserves to be in jail.

But if you do that it takes away the perception that there are two choices when you're voting, when the reality is that we have one political party. The GOP is an opposition Force with no ideology other than "own the libs".