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"Unskilled labour" is a capitalist myth used to justify poverty wages. (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 9 months ago by cyu@sh.itjust.works to c/unions@sh.itjust.works

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh no, losing money! Surely that's the same kind of problem as killing people.

You're not really listening.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Looks like you are driving a train you are not skilled for, with your derailing.

Employers pay employees money in exchange for work. That is the fundamental principle of wage labour. In a fair situation the employee's wage reflects the value he provides to the company. This is denied to so called "unskilled" labour. You also want to deny it by overexpanding your example. Yes a doctor requires a lot of prior education. But if you think a surgeons first operation is on a live human, you are wrong. They train surgeries beforehand. Because with all the education, if the hands remained unskilled an educated doctor is still a deadly surgeon. On the flipside for a standard surgery it would be perfectly possible to train a nurse how to do it, and merely have a doctor supervise for unforseen medical aspects. And again, ask a knee surgeon after 20 years about heart diseases. Ask a cardiologist about knee surgeries. Both will have forgotten most of it.

But finally your arguement of killing people is a hyperbole. Do you know how many people die as the result of "unskilled" labor fucking up? The most deadly occupations like logging, farming, mining and construction are all requiring responsibility for protection of your own and other humans lifes, where proper experience and skill are crucial to maintain safety.

So while you talk about hypothetical unskilled doctors, the denial of skill needed in many occupations is actually killing people.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But if you think a surgeons first operation is on a live human, you are wrong. They train surgeries beforehand.

Read what I fucking wrote or don't talk to me.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think you didnt get the point. The act of surgery itself is akin to a skilled bricklayer. It is a craft that is improved by experience primarily and all the best grades and knowledge in the theoretical parts cannot guarantee that someone will be a good surgeon, if they lack the talent for the hands on part.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

The point is that bad bricklayers still get to lay bricks, and it's not a huge deal. Any rando can do a half-ass job and in many situations that's just fine. Surgery never works like that. There are no some-guy-with-a-van... hospitals. You can't fake your way through an appendectomy with a Youtube video and seven trips to Home Depot.

For the final time: no shit experienced tradesmen have significant skills. That's never what this label is about. Experience is the polar opposite of the problem. You landed right on the actual issue, whilst chiding me for something you imagined I missed: "skilled labor" is when you require immense training, beforehand.

The concept being addressed is not skill or labor. It's skilled labor. Auf Deutsch, it'd be a compound word. You can't separate the components of that label and pretend you're still talking about the same fucking thing.