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Republicans falling in line? Quick, someone fetch me a shocked Pikachu meme!
Yeah this shouldn't be surprising at all. Democrats fall in love (or don't vote), Republicans fall in line (and vote every time).
You can see the in-fighting here in the fediverse already. The hardcore leftists saying they "can't support genocide" and getting mad at progressives for not being left enough. The right wing machine has been pushing the country to the right since 1970 and the "left" (what exists of it) was caught completely unaware and is only waking up now.
To be fair it's possible a lot of that sentiment on here is astroturfing or people who are anti US trying to stir things up. If you check back in their content history they usually only post divisive stuff about the same few topics and reply agreement to other people doing the same thing.
Right! If Dwight Eisenhower were alive today the right would tar him as a radical liberal communist because of his policies. The only right wing policies today are hate, anger, fear and more hate. Seems our hard core leftists are caught up in the hate/fear cycle too.
And yet, for all you say, one doesn't pull the overton window left by moving right to fill that gap
Biden has gone far enough right, that compared to even a decade ago, he's now a conservative. that's where centrist democrats are. They've happily filled the gap. Republicans aren't conservative any more- that is to say, they're not seeking to maintain the status quo. They're regressives seeking to drag us backwards.
One does not pull anything to the left by standing by while others elect a fascist.
Okay, so instead of a fast plummet to fascism, you're cool with the slow-slide into fascism as Biden fails to defend our voting and civil rights?
Virtually every civil-rights and voting-rights promises he's made has either stalled or just been forgotten entirely. We are approaching the point where it's - literally - do or die. you don't win fights by staying defensive. You need to be offensive and make wins.
Biden is not doing that. Has not been able to do that, even with both the senate and the house nominally under democrat control- albeit with extremely tight margins
So, to you point, electing Biden is also standing around while fascists do their thing.... Biden may not be playing the fiddle, but he's not putting out the fires, either.
Umm, so you prefer the fast plummet into fascism? Yeah, I'm not cool with that.
You get to choose the lesser of two evils. And, no, refusing to choose isn't an option; failure to vote for the lesser evil will benefit the worse one. So, unless you're actually in favor of things going to hell as fast as possible, your entire argument is bunk.
The lesser of two evils is still evil, and in point of fact, the entire fucking reason we’re in this fucking mess.
We need something different, and that means not the guy who promised to not change anything.
You have no plan. If you have a realistic vision where not voting for Biden ends in something other than Trump getting elected, we're all ears.
Otherwise, you're just complaining that you don't like the choice. Yeah, we know that already.
And what’s Bidens plan? What’s your fucking plan?
Because what is, is fucking clearly not working.
Stop thinking about the next fucking election like all the other fucking sheep. This isn’t about the next election, it’s about where we go beyond.
And Biden has no plan beyond the next decade, because he’ll be dead. In the next two, maybe three.
I’m not worried about the next five years. I’m worried about the life my nephew and nieces will have to live because you fucking morons won’t stop to consider anything other than what has always fucking been.
Well guess what? Change happens. You can either be part of it or watch it pass you fucking by while screaming at the people trying to make it better.
I have no plan? You don’t even know me.
Things we need? To take climate change seriously. We need healthcare, we need our voting rights codified, we need civil rights protected.
Stop astroturfing who gets to say fucking what. You’re not the gate keeper you’re not god. You’ve got no other plan either. And neither does your golden boy Biden.
My plan is to vote for Biden. It bought us four years of staving off fascism. If you think that is nothing, you need more imagination.
That's my plan, and that's what it did. What's your plan again? It seems like I was right on the mark? All you did is anger dump on me, and didn't say how you actually are going to get from point A (not voting for Biden) to point B (a better society). What, it's fascism then collapse, a few million deaths to purges and war, and then your nieces and nephews have a great future?
Feel free to just lash out again at me, someone who probably agrees with your opinions on most actual social issues, because I'm not meeting your purity test. That seems to be working out great.
How has Biden gone right? He’s clearly farther left than Obama or Clinton. Even Bernie has said that Biden is a much more progressive president than he was a senator.