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[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Then those that don’t turnout can’t complain after the fact. “Sure, keep destroying my country!”

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Which option doesn't keep destroying the country?

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Labour. Massively and obviously labour.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lmfao, have you been paying any attention? Starmer is a Tory in all but the colour of his fucking tie.

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just because there are two things that are not what you would choose, does not make them the same.

I don't like beetroot, but if I had to choose between drinking beetroot juice and bleach, throwing my hands in the air and saying "both of these are as bad as each other" is simply not true.

The conservatives are a bleach that have been poisoning this country for the most 13 years.

Anyone (at this point in the election cycle) suggesting Starmer is as bad as the Tories is either actively at accidentally working for the Conservative Party electoral machine.

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Incidentally, I also disagree that Starmer is that right wing. He's a pragmatist that is prioritising getting into power first, and then will focus on moving the country leftwards.

For too long the left wing in this country have tried themselves into knots trying to suggest prefer policies that left them with no hope of electoral success and left the country at the mercy of right wing hate mongerers like Braverman, Johnson and Farage.

Corbyn is and was a wonderful, moral person, but fundamentally a bed candidate for leader of the Labour party at he couldn't compromise is morals to get elected.

[–] fifisaac@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

prioritising getting into power first, and then will focus on moving the country leftwards.

I keep seeing this but I struggle to believe it with no evidence whatsoever. Starmer ran for leadership with left wing promises and went back on them, why would he suddenly u-turn again when he gets into power? This just seems like a lie trying to persuade the left to hang around in a rightwards-creeping party

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Honestly, you could be right, but I'm strongly hoping you're not. And he's much more left leaning than another 5 years of Tory ineptitude.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's for you to decide on, and for you to make your voice heard on. If you think neither option is a way to do so, then spoil your ballot, or at the very least vote for change because a potential shit government is better than a proven shit government.

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A pineapple could beat the Tories at the next election. I will likely have to vote because it's a solid Tory constituency which could fall. But this Labour party will only keep the Tories' seats warm for them. I will be holding my nose and refusing to pretend that anything good is happening.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 1 points 9 months ago

Great! I agree the labour party as it exists is quite a stench too, but I'd take them over the tories no problem