I don't think it's about feeling some kind of superiority. I think it's important to keep telling each other this so we remember - this is who they are. They are not rational thinking individuals.

The reason being that we cannot waste any time or energy thinking they can be redeemed. All our energy needs to be spent on making sure we vote and everyone we know votes. Because they will be voting and voting Trump, and won't be changing their minds. And that vote is a threat to our freedoms and our democracy.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

this is who they are. They are not rational, thinking individuals

Ok, im not trying to start a fight, but look at that statement. how is this not a feeling of superiority?

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is that how you see the world, better and worse? To me it’s simply a statement of fact. They are clearly not rational actors. They are voting emotionally - fear, anger, hate.

Before you say it, yes, we all vote with some emotion, but these people are voting against their own best interests in almost every aspect of politics just for some brief dopamine hit to own the libs.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago

Dawg I'mma be real with you now. Take this as my honest opinion, offered without malice.

Those words are a bigot's words. What you are showing me is an astonishing lack of empathetic intelligence. (I am stuggling to be straight with you while also keeping your mind open to critisism, but imma pull out the harsh words first). Can you accept this thing I've said? I know it's only my opinion, but i want to share it with you for what, in my opinion, is to your benefit.

Does this really sound like you? Do you really believe that Rcitizens (im going with this term to distingush from Rpoliticians cuz fuck the Rpoliticians) are so much different from you even though they go through the same bullshit 9-5 crap, the soul sucking existence that us wage slaves live every fucking day, getting run roughshod in the same conditions as you, are so different? You walk past Rcitizens every day on the street, you buy your groceries from them, you work with them. You are fucking surrounded by these "irrational" people every day. Can you tell me without asking them their political opinions which ones they are?

Unless they're the wildin' type with the hat and the truck, no. No, of course you can't.

So, where do these irrational people who only care about hurting you spawn from? It's half the country right?

Here's the way i see the world, unvarnished. There is a political group we haven't spoken of itt, whose aspirations are different from yours and mine. You and i have already heard about them before. They like having power and money, their aim in life is to have more.

They own the news stations, the media companies, advertising. They have publicists and lobbyists. Professional opinion swayers. Golly if they wanted to they could use the power of news to manipulate public opinion away from policies that would help the public, and towards policies that help them instead.

So, do you think they are? doing this? You probably agree so far, right?

Now if they were smart they'd buy at least one station to do their dirty work. Let's say it's FOX as a hypothetical. We think probably FOX has an ever so slight bias towards Rpolicies and Rpoliticians, right? And having watched FOX news and witnessed them saying crazy things that (even more stunningly) the Rcitizens repeat, i know exactly where the Rcitizen's misconception of Dcitizens comes from. A lie from FOX. More importantly from the owner of FOX.

Now, why would this political class be satisfied with only one station? Do you think that everyone in that political class has the exact same beliefs (beyond money and power)? So it stands to reason there are news stations that have all sorts of political stances (besides agreeing on more money and power).

Following this logic, and the verified fact that media and news companies are allowed to mix opinions and facts together, how much do you trust, really trust that what you have read/been told is rational, unbiased, and in your best interest?

In my worldview, your opinion that Rcitizens are irrational actors for you to fear is not rational at all. Im telling you, with love (i swear it) that you have been spoon-fed this opinion. That you have been played for a fool.

I don't blame you at all, just like i don't blame the Rcitizens. I don't blame any of us citizens for trusting a source they shouldn't have. You are frightened. I am frightened. The world is getting fucking scary, and scared people are easier to fool. We are all of us together fools if we don't suspect someone with power is trying to manipulate us, to hurt us, and help themselves.

So they're you have it. I don't really know how this is gonna go over, but look. Really look at it. I don't necessarily expect (or even want) you to agree with me, i just want you to suspect that maybe when you say and believe "the opponent is irrational" that someone bent on taking what you got left wants you to.