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[–] Canecittadino@mastodon.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@Heterokromia @yogthos @cstross Why do I get the feeling that in an age where your toothbrush spies on you, where even the mightiest can be caught with their genitals in unseemly positions in unseemly places, where media gotcha engines have finally lapsed into a coma after getting everybody who can possibly be gotten, we’ll see a mighty uprising of tolerance? After all, didn’t someone righteously god-fearing once tell us that we’re all sinners in the hands of a bespoke surveillance algorithm?

[–] cstross@wandering.shop 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@Canecittadino @Heterokromia @yogthos

Sadly, I disagree.

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."

—Cardinal Richelieu

Also:

"If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide"

— Various People

Now meet deepfakes.

Everyone is guilty: it may just take the Party some time to reveal the evidence of the crime they must have committed.

[–] Canecittadino@mastodon.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@cstross @Heterokromia @yogthos Well of course I would agree with you if it were simply a matter of “homo homini lupus.” The thing is that in the historical contexts you rightly appeal to, it has always been possible for the inquiring class to excuse themselves from inquiry. Until they couldn’t, of course—a Man for All Seasons, Politburo purges under Stalin, etc. Once we all have access to AWS and ChatGPT X, everyone will live in fear until the mode of the music changes. Which it just might do.

[–] jkmcnk@mastodon.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@Canecittadino @cstross @Heterokromia @yogthos you see, there's this thing called power, which is fairly unevenly distributed, so there's always people that are beyond any inquiry and very interested in that those others aren't. this latter thing is called control. and the times we live in tell that both concepts are very much fine and well and much the same as they were in the historic times. so, yes, you should care about your privacy. 🤷

[–] Canecittadino@mastodon.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@jkmcnk @cstross @Heterokromia @yogthos All true for now, but the situation is also more fluid than it used to be, largely because of the rapid evolution of communications technologies. Compare the longevity of the Roman Catholic Church or the British Monarchy with that of the Thousand Year Reich, or the Soviet Politburo. How long do you suppose Ron DeSantis is going to last? /1

[–] Canecittadino@mastodon.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

@jkmcnk @cstross @Heterokromia @yogthos The uneven distribution of power isn’t the issue. As long as human beings are what they are, that may well be inescapable. What’s different now is the turbulence introduced into control mechanisms by the inherent unpredictabily of their impact. /2

[–] Canecittadino@mastodon.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

@jkmcnk @cstross @Heterokromia @yogthos “Quis costodiet ipsos custodes” is the real issue here. When the watchers operate on a scale no human agency can effectively oversee, anomalies may very well become more frequent. China’s social credit evaluation regime will be the best test case for these suppositions, I think. We shall see…. /3 END