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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not disputing any of that. I'm just saying we shouldn't tar Levy and the others with the same brush. And like you said, the people being killed by Hamas are not just the genocide supporters.

Think about how this conflict is going to end. When we look at the most likely outcomes:

  • Status quo continues, and just kicks the can back down the road until one of the other outcomes

  • Israeli completely genocides Palestinians and colonizes Gaza and West Bank on their bodies. Some survive as refugees, but most of them die. Hamas is mostly destroyed, but its rich leaders in the UAE and similar countries drink champagne and live it up just fine.

  • Enough Israelis vote for a left wing regime that seeks reconciliation, and recognizes they have to move past the history of violence for it to end.

Odds are, Israel is not going to be destroyed or ended. The best chance of peace relies on the Israelis who understand the power dynamic places the impetus on them to stop the violence. To that end, it's unhelpful to blanket label all Israelis as genocide supporters. Because if that's true, Palestine has no hope.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

How were the Nazi's stopped? Did we kill every single German in existence?

Are the Ukranians trying to slaughter every single Russian to stop the invasion?

israel will never end its genocide voluntarily. If an israeli isn't supporting Zionism and speak out they are getting arrested. There's no way to get any political change going in a regime this dictatorial.

Palestinians are very open to negotiation, but israel is the party holding all the power, and refuses to give the Palestinians a land. The 700.000 in the west bank prove how willing israel is to seek peace.

There is only one side preventing peace, and it's israel. Their illegal government must be disbanded, but it doesn't look like they are going to do it voluntarily.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Do you believe it is realistic to achieve a situation like Nazi Germany, where several countries take control of the government and administer the area for a few decades? Without any subjugation, and with economic aid from the administering countries?

If you have a way to do that, I am genuinely interested in hearing it. As long as it seems unviable however, regime change is the best option. Netanyahu's government failed to protect people from Hamas attack, kidnappings, and their own army killed Israelis. If there was ever a time to foment a change, it's now.