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Hamas releases video of three Israeli hostages saying they'll learn 'fate' on Monday
(www.standard.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 15 Jan 2024
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It is Hamas' goal to maximize martyrs, and they have officially stated so on several occasions. They were slowly losing the decades-long conflict with Israel (who have in no way been playing fair before this escalation btw). If they ensure enough suffering in their own population, they have more desperate traumatized orphans to recruit, more enraged sympathy from neighboring countries also in conflict with Israel, plus lessening the support from Israel's western allies.
I feel like people forget about this. Hamas wants their constituents to die. They want to put their weaponry and bases inside hospitals and places of worship because they know IDF will have to seize or attack them and making them look bad for damaging health facilities and mosques. I am pro-Palestine and pro-Israel, but I notice there's a lack of nuance too often in the pro-Palestine movement. I know most Gazans are not involved in Hamas. But few realize that most Israeli citizens are uninterested in destroying Gaza. Israel's military and executive leadership has made poor decisions. But this does not necessarily equate to the country at large being genocidal.
I just don't see a way that will end well for both sides when one side is exploiting the hatred towards another, while the other side is not keen on enabling such an extremist group.
They already have more than enough recruits from Israel's genocide.
That sekewd reality
Were they? If anything it seems Israel is the one losing international standing with every Israeli atrocity.
I was referring to Israel slowly grabbing land and displacing the population in favour of their own settlers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza
They even forcefully removed their own citizens who didn’t move willingly.
I think they mean all the land that Israel is occupying since 1948. Sure, maybe a few settlements were dismantled in 2005. Doesn't change that they are still occupying almost 80% of Palestine, and have been for about 70 years.
Which Middle Eastern country should they move back to then?
I don't know, but maybe find a solution everyone is okay with instead of just violently taking the land.
“Just move a country”. Alright.
And literally in the same month, they started blockading Gaza. This was an act meant to divide Palestinians into Gazans and West Bankers, not a step taken by the peace-loving Israeli government to bring about an end to the conflict. This is the reasoning of the guy who suggested the idea, hence the blockade because they can't have a success example in Gaza (or anywhere in Palestine).
Oh I see. Hamas is mostly a Gazan organization, but I see what you mean.
And they keep taking land in the West Bank and they’re pushing everyone in Gaza into a smaller and smaller area. Sounds like they’re getting what the leadership wants.
International standing only matters if America can get over playing blind defense for Netanyahu’s coalition. They know this, the SA case in the ICJ has shown quotes from Israeli leadership that are abhorrent. Bold statements of genocidal intent from people that don’t expect consequences to reach them.
“Actually, Hamas genocided their own people. You know, for like profit or something”
The American lib brainworms are literally wriggling out your ears
Learn to read before throwing out smug insults. They aren’t genociding, they’re baiting Israel into validating their existence as a militant force and bolstering support through martyrdom.
Do you understand the dynamics of an extremist organization? One facing an enemy many times better equipped than themselves? Or are you assuming they’re too stupid to realize what Israel’s response would be to oct 7?
Don't put insanity in my mouth and then yell at me for it.
I have no coherent arguments, yet I must yell