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making me enter a special code and fill out forms and pay for the 'deLuXe' tax software because only that can handle the right forms

i assume other countries do this too. scum apps more like

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[–] Solemarc@lemmy.world 71 points 10 months ago (3 children)

In Australia my employer reports my income and does all the tax before I get paid. Then at tax time I go to the Aus tax office website; review it, add any claims I want to make and submit it.

This is an American solution to an American problem.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Yup. Especially because the IRS knows how much most of us are making. (If you're not completely in cash in the black market the IRS knows.) Your employer reports your earnings to the IRS.

Incredibly we have this system because the private tax preparation business has lobbied to make it hard to pay your taxes.

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 9 points 10 months ago

That's basically how it works here too. The situation in op is different because there's no employer.

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If you drive with Uber or something similar in Australia, I’m pretty sure you will be classified as self employed. I doubt Uber is your “employer”

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Eh, as a rideshare driver you have a code conduct, rules about how to give rides, a dress code, a vehicle requirement (age, cleanliness, paint color, etc), and an agreement to be exclusive. (Yes all of those multi app drivers are breaking the rules.)

Just having the ultimate flex schedule isn't really enough to say you're independent.

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are you absolutely sure rage the Uber driver comtract requires exclusivity in Australia? That would five substantially different to the other countries it operates in - and I would expect that any such requirement would lead the tax authorities to put them squarely in the ‘employer’ category

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Huh, TIL that there are countries that tech companies actually follow the laws in? In the US, they just do whatever they want.

I'm jealous.

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

The law that Uber voted for yes. Drivers were extremely against it but Uber and Lyft have marketing budgets that drivers don't.

The thing is, just by existing law before that they should be employees. The only thing they actually get towards independence is the ultimate flex hours. Which isn't enough to be an independent contractor in any other industry. By federal law gig workers should be employees. But the government is bought and paid for. So Uber and Lyft and Amazon and UPS and FEDEX and the trucking industry all get to pretend their drivers aren't employees.

It could be worse, at least Uber and Lyft don't require you to buy the vehicle from them and they largely look the other way if you take rides from the other one. Trucking is far worse.

[–] Solemarc@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Your completely correct but Google also tells me that, at least in the case of Uber, it will calculate the tax for the ride and you just have to report it to the government at the end of the month. Also there are some really cheap accountants you can use over here and I'm sure they exist overseas as well, but I suppose I don't know OP's financial situation and neither of these are free.