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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you mean that in the original Marxist sense, where a dictatorship of the proletariat is contrasted to the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie - ie that it is referring to the domination of one class over the structures of democratic government rather than a literal autocratic or oligarchic regime? Or the ML sense where it means "Everyone obeys the Party Line, please ignore who controls the Party"?

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The classic Marxist sense, although i think Lenin's ideology was necessary for a successful revolution to occur in his time. The Party went down hill majorly when Stalin took over instead of Trotsky.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm down. I understand support of Lenin, even if I personally disagree and side more with the SRs, and have sympathies for the Makhnovists. Post-Lenin is when it gets truly gruesome.

[–] Jonna@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Eh, I think Trotsky and Lenin have some responsibility. While I am in full support of October (and Leninists ideology), I think the Bolshevik repression of the 20-21 strike wave was a troubling development demonstrating separation between the party and the class. (Kronstadt began in sympathy with that strike wave.) Then in the 10th Party Congress, the Workers Opposition took up some of the workers demands and pushed a program to keep party and state separate. They urged union control of the economy and democracy. In response, Trotsky argued that unions would no longer be necessary at all! Even Lenin thought that was going too far. But this is when democracy came under attack even within the party and factions were formerly banned.

Here is the text of the Workers Opposition manifesto. https://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/1921/workers-opposition/index.htm

The text was banned in Soviet Russia in March of 1921, by resolution of the 10th Congress of the Communist Party. The headings, "individual or collective management" and "bureaucracy and self activity of the masses" seem prescient.

Trotsky became a champion of democracy a little late, only after methods of repression he himself used were turned against him.