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[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You go directly to an single point to vindicate a strong general stance.

"A single point"? My dude... fighting and dying in the cause of more slavery is one hell of a point. And what I'm wondering is why do you keep attempting to minimize that? Like it's some trifle, like: "Oh, those crazy southerners! They had this weird fashion choice at the time where they tortured and raped people and forced them to work for no pay. So quirky!"

But we all deserve our graves pissed on then

Are you telling me that you own slaves? 'Cause if you own slaves, then yes. I hope that when you die, an entire conga line of people take turns pissing on your grave.

Oh, you don't own slaves? Then what in the blue fuck are you trying unsuccessfully to say?

[–] mob@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That people under the age who were required to serve in a war under the penalty of death arent all evil, and have often been documented to purposely not actually fight.

But celebrate pissing on them kids grave. It'll happen to all of us anyway.

[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm curious as to what percentage you think that group represents of the whole number of graves in that cemetery. I'm probably going to regret doing this, but I'm going to give you a massive benefit of the doubt here, and assume that for some reason, you think that a large percentage of those graves belong to children who were forced into service and who went weeping to the front line where their chests were subsequently pierced with minié balls. And here's why I'm going to assume that:

If you believe that a large percentage falls into that category, then you are merely woefully misinformed, and probably a supreme optimist at heart. Ignorance isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it is bad etiquette to argue an incorrect point so vehemently when it's incredibly easy to verify the actual truth. So the worst that I could say about you is that you have your heart in the right place, but your online etiquette could use some attention.

However, if you don't believe that, if you rightly believe that the group you're referring to represents a miniscule portion of the graves in that cemetery, well then. I suppose that means that you are intentionally being obtuse about a point in an attempt to defend the people who fought and died on behalf of slavers. And that doesn't say very many kind things about your character.

So. Since I'm giving you a massive benefit of the doubt, here's some demographic information about the confederate army:

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/who-fought

My best guess is that this cemetery isn't filled to the brim with buglers and drummer boys.

[–] mob@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, thet website doesnt say much. But what I gathered was

most Confederate soldiers were under 30. Young boys under 18 sometimes worked as drummer boys

only a very small percentage of them owned slaves.

a Confederate foot soldier was more likely to be illiterate than his Union counterpart.

Young, dumb as fuck, non-slave owning men fought a war under the threat of death for desertation or cowardice. Those are the truly evil ones.

[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Young, dumb as fuck, non-slave owning men fought a war under the threat of death for desertation or cowardice. Those are the truly evil ones.

Hey - I acknowledge that the foot soldiers of evil aren't usually as evil as the people in charge. I even said as much in an earlier comment in this thread. But they still fought for an evil cause. Their rich internal lives don't matter a whit to the people they hurt. So yeah. I'm not going to be upset in the slightest at someone pissing on their graves. They've earned the derision with their actions.

[–] mob@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

And we all deserve our graves pissed out for what our "leaders" have done, and who we've given money to.

I guess in the end, it doesnt matter. We'll be dead, all had shit leaders, and our graves will get pissed on eventually.

[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

You keep trying to put really stupid words into my mouth, and it's getting grating. Confederate soldiers don't deserve to have their graves pissed on because a bunch of rich men thought it'd be cool to become traitors and set up their own government based on horrible principles. They don't deserve to be pissed on because they occasionally purchased sugar made at a plantation in Jamaica. They deserve to have their graves pissed on because they fought on behalf of slavery.

I've been very clear about my position this entire time. I have no idea why you keep trying to weasel-word me into some wishy-washy nonsense about how all people are bad or something.