I was one of those. In my defense, 2012-2015(ish) he really was doing cool things. Tesla and Space X were super innovative and brought optimism. Then a time traveler stepped on a bug, the whole Thailand pedophile fiasco happened and it went downhill from there. Now we have yokes, dumb turn signals and the whole cybertruck, not to mention removing ultrasound sensors to save a few cents and the whole Twitter debacle. At least space X is still somehow unfucked?

In case it helps... I'm sorry.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 97 points 9 months ago (1 children)

he really was doing cool things.

He was buying cool things

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The thing is after Peter Thiel made him a multi-billionaire against his best efforts, he did actually put that capital into industries that desperately needed someone to prove to the boomers that you could, and should, make money in them.

There's a whole lot to say about his credit stealing, ego, and the system itself, but the fact remains he does have an eye for talent (that he can exploit for gain)

So, sure, he was just the bankroll, but that doesn't mean the companies didn't desperately need that.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 13 points 9 months ago

That's fair enough!

I'm just so used to people calling him an engineer and an inventor, while, as you say, the cool things he did were as an investor.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think the problem was he started to believe his own hype that he was a super-genius that knew everything about everything.

I mean I don't know the nitty gritty details of building an electric car or building rockets. But neither does Elon Musk. Which would be fine except that he tries to talk about these things like he does understand all of the details. Nobody knows everything about everything, it's only an idiot that tries to act like he does.

But then he tries talking like he's an expert in a field I am familiar with and it's like... there's points people could make on this subject, but that's not one of them.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 12 points 9 months ago

Same. Can't judge about auto industry or rocket science, but I know a thing or two about software. And... Yeah, everything he's said about Twitter internals (and sw dev in general) is brain dead.

[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 10 points 9 months ago

I think he always believed his own hype. Heck there was a point where I was somewhat into his hype.

Though I never liked Tesla's interior design philosophy of "just put all the controls on a giant tablet and call it a day"

Truth is we didn't know enough about him to gain an opinion. So imaginations ran wild. I mean there are people who have been saying how bad he was since the whole PayPal thing. It's just those companies weren't big enough at the time for it to gain any gravity in the public eye.

Then Tesla and spaceX happened, and people thought what he was doing was awesome, because a lot of it was and it was easy to look past the parts that weren't.

Now however the fact he can't keep his mouth shut and has become a twitter addict has kinda ruined our public opinion on him. If he had just stayed quiet and not bothered with the whole buying twitter thing, people might not care much about him. And the Epstein stuff and affairs and shit didn't help him one bit. He's right to mistrust the media - that shit is like a gourmet breakfast for them.

Basically he revealed himself in the public for what he truly is. A cold blooded greedy ass tycoon with an ego the size of the planets he's trying to colonise, with a modern style nerd-hipster science theming and old school conservative ideals.

[–] BoastfulDaedra@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 9 months ago

I accept and believe your apology. Just pop yourself in the nose once, and we're totally square buddy.