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[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (9 children)

The lawmaker in question is Moshe Saada, number 28 out of 32 MKs from Likud (Israeli elections fix an order for each party, and legislative seats are awarded by that order).

He gave an interview on Channel 14, which is generally regarded as extremely right wing in Israel. Ahmad Tibi, number 1 on the Ta'al list, was the one who called him out for the statement:

MK Moshe Saada, Likud ,is trying to get on the shameful list of people in South Africa's lawsuit against Israel at the High Court in The Hague. Stupid and criminal words

Moshe Saada said this in response to the article:

I understand that there is a "journalist" who took a sentence I said in an interview and took it out of context with a lack of integrity, just to light a little fire, divide a little more and sow hatred. Those who watched the interview can hear that I repeatedly said that Hamas must be destroyed. The time has come for the media to also move forward from 6.10 and realize that it is time to unite around the fight against the enemy who seeks to destroy us, instead of constantly engaging in attempts to slander elected officials

The full interview is here on youtube (In Hebrew, no translation available).

He only said it once in a 13 minute interview and every other instance he's talking explicitly about Hamas (L'hashmid Ha'Hamas). I'm guessing it was him searching for a word to include both Hamas and PIJ, but that might be too generous. But anyone thinking this is an official policy of Israel and that's the way forward is delusional - almost every country on Earth has extremist members of their legislature.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 32 points 10 months ago (32 children)

Funny how when it comes to Israeli extremists we all discuss nuance and how complicated and messy politics and language is but when it comes to extremists in resistance organizations it's immediately assumed that what they say colours the entire resistance.

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[–] meekah@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I support palestine but this kind of reporting definitely seems dishonest. There absolutely is an argument to be made about it being a slip up and a showing of true colors, but saying this is clear evidence for the intent of a genocide is dishonest and only hurting the movement to free palestine. Thanks for pointing out that it was the only time in the interview where he says gazans, not hamas.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

No, it is as clear as yet another GOP representative saying we should ban abortion. That is obviously their party's position. This is not the first Likuud member to outright call for a genocide. It is obviously the position of the Likuud party. Who happens to control the military and police in both Palestine and Israel.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Dishonest? The lawmaker literally said these words.

There's a translated video in the article that doesn't leave much room for creative interpretation like steventheIDF is suggesting https://twitter.com/i/status/1742415488519393502

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And keep in mind that the dishonesty extends to the OP, of which there are many in this sub with the motive to disseminate inaccurate rage bait articles.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Good thing you're always out there on every article to defend israel against the dishonest OP's.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

This, but unironically.

[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

anyone thinking this is an official policy of Israel

...need only look at their actions to confirm that

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Pretty sure if Israel really wanted to kill every Gazan things would look dramatically different right now.

[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago

Are you aware of the irony of using Holocaust denial tactics to defend Israel?

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

it wouldn't look "dramatically" different, maybe slightly. I think its more they want gazans gone and don't care about how many people they kill.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Not really. The next step would be a systematic approach that could not be politically defended. They're doing as much as they think they can get away with. And if, as several influential and high ranking Israelis have said, they're clearing land for more settlements then it's the ethnic cleansing form of genocide.

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[–] SCB@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Imagine if everyone in the world assumed that everything that came out of Marjorie Taylor Greene's mouth was official US policy

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Context matters. If she says abortion is bad, it deserves to be reported, and is, while abortion policy is actively being dismantled - because she is a lawmaker in the party actively working towards that (and in power for one of the legislatures).

Just like this guy's words matter while it's being supported by other people like Ben-Givir and while they're actively in the process of doing genocide stuff.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

In context of everything else that's happening, other remarks by his party, and the availability of "It's clear to everyone that militants in Gaza must be destroyed." There is no excuse. It's just another layer of evidence.

[–] LobYonder@monero.town 1 points 10 months ago

Sure there are some extremists in almost every political faction, but were his comments denounced by others in his party?

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