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Russia sentences anti-war activist Vladimir Kara-Murza to 25 years in prison (www.hrw.org)

submitted 2 years ago by 0x815@feddit.de to c/europe@lemmy.ml

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On April 17, 2023, the Moscow City Court convicted Vladimir Kara-Murza on combined charges of treason, dissemination of “false information” about the conduct of the Russian Armed Forces, and involvement with an “undesirable organization”, and sentenced him to 25 years in maximum security prison with an additional fine of 400,000 rubles (approximately USD 5,000), restriction of freedom for 1.5 years, and a ban on journalistic activities for 7 years.

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[–] pancake@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I know. But the word "aggression" is (intentionally, hats off to US propaganda) vague; the user I was responding to interpreted it as "launching an attack into a territory generally recognized as foreign", so I'm going with that definition. I generally do not argue on terminology, since it's not practical to do so. But thanks for the heads up!

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

“launching an attack into a territory generally recognized as foreign”

That definition is pretty vague too, it just move the weight from "agression" to "attack" which is also not very defined, but if it is exluding internal conflict for some weird reason, in that case it would be USA taking big part in couping the democratically (or at least the most democratically in the history of independent Ukraine) elected president.

[–] pancake@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, you're really damn right. But lately I've found it easier to just sidestep the whole "aggression" thing altogether than argue on that, where I would have most certainly hit a wall. So, "yeah, sure, scary Russkie man did the bad, now let's move on to the important stuff". I've come to like doing it like this more.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

It definitely ease up discussion with those types, but by aquitting the origin of events, you just end up on their position. The guy you discuss know this extremely well, he will go to extreme lenghts to not admit there was even a US-sponsored coup in 2014 because if he admit it his entire narration will crumble into dust.