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[–] Apicnic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8213007/

Here's one of the more recent meta analysis papers on it. When people who detransition are asked, the majority of the cite external factors like the ones here.

[–] rah@feddit.uk -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

"Back in 1997, virtually no one had heard of queergender people. I couldn't find a support system, and I couldn't figure out how to tell people what I was."

That would be a big discrepency. The denizens of /r/detrans generally post about contemporary detransitioning rather than detransitions from 25 years ago.

[–] Apicnic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, but if you think that there aren't huge portions of the trans population who have no support system, then it doesn't really feel possible to have a meaningful discussion about this with you.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

if you think that there aren’t huge portions of the trans population who have no support system

Huge portions of the trans population having no support system doesn't imply that reasons for detransitioning will include not having a support system because the lack of a support system alters the likelihood of transitioning in the first place.

if you think that there aren’t huge portions of the trans population who have no support system, it doesn’t really feel possible to have a meaningful discussion about this with you

I don't think that and it doesn't make sense to assume or even suspect I do, given anything I've said. I've no idea why you've introduced this idea into the conversation.

And even if I were to think that, what you've said doesn't invalidate what I said, which was that having seen /r/detrans, the reasons given seemed silly.

Clearly it is indeed not possible for us to have a meaningful discussion.

[–] Apicnic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying it implies that. I'm saying that trans people and established research both say that. Your minimal experience with one of the detrans subreddits is not more substantial of a source than first hand accounts and peer reviewed papers.

Did you spend substantial time in /r/detrans and /r/actualdetrans? Were you aware of drama around when that split happened? Discussed it in the other trans communities on the sites? Because right now, your comments make it seem like you're a passerby who has popped into a trans community and tried to say that your interactions with one community known for astroturfing are more meaningful than decades of research.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 1 points 10 months ago

Your minimal experience with one of the detrans subreddits is not more substantial of a source than first hand accounts and peer reviewed papers.

I haven't claimed that it is.

more meaningful

What do you mean?