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The New York Times is suing OpenAI and Microsoft for copyright infringement (www.theverge.com)

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The New York Times is suing OpenAI and Microsoft for copyright infringement, claiming the two companies built their AI models by “copying and using millions” of the publication’s articles and now “directly compete” with its content as a result.

As outlined in the lawsuit, the Times alleges OpenAI and Microsoft’s large language models (LLMs), which power ChatGPT and Copilot, “can generate output that recites Times content verbatim, closely summarizes it, and mimics its expressive style.” This “undermine[s] and damage[s]” the Times’ relationship with readers, the outlet alleges, while also depriving it of “subscription, licensing, advertising, and affiliate revenue.”

The complaint also argues that these AI models “threaten high-quality journalism” by hurting the ability of news outlets to protect and monetize content. “Through Microsoft’s Bing Chat (recently rebranded as “Copilot”) and OpenAI’s ChatGPT, Defendants seek to free-ride on The Times’s massive investment in its journalism by using it to build substitutive products without permission or payment,” the lawsuit states.

The full text of the lawsuit can be found here

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[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

No, that's the current legal precedent within the US.

Kelly v. Arriba Soft

The court opinion:

"The Court finds two of the four factors weigh in favor of fair use, and two weigh against it. The first and fourth factors (character of use and lack of market harm) weigh in favor of a fair use finding because of the established importance of search engines and the "transformative" nature of using reduced versions of images to organize and provide access to them. The second and third factors (creative nature of the work and amount or substantiality of copying) weigh against fair use."

That "compression is transformative" principle has been pretty solidly enshrined as precedence at this point (IE Perfect 10, Inc. v. Amazon.com, Inc.) however with no real guidelines as to what amount is required to be considered transformative

The major argument as to whether the sort of LLM training in the parent article still constitutes fair use or not depends on whether there exists "market harm" or the "substantiality of copying" is especially egregious (note that these are the two fronts that the NYT is taking.) There is precedence for copying of style not being fair use Dr. Seuss Enters., L.P. v. Penguin Books USA, Inc. which I suspect is why NYT is approaching it the way that they are...

Now, all that being said, my personal opinion is fuck the US legal system and fuck copyright. There is no solution to the core issues surrounding this topic that isn't inherently contradictory and/or just a corporate power grab. However, the "techbro idiots" are "right" and you're not, but it's because they are idiots who are largely detached from any sort of material reality and see no problem with subjecting the rest of us to their insanity.

[–] lemonflavoured@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Now, all that being said, my personal opinion is fuck the US legal system and fuck copyright.

Some form of copyright has to exist, and - as angrily explained to me by authors - it needs to extend somewhat beyond the life of the author. I'm certainly never going to agree with it being indefinite though.

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can't tell if sarcasm... If not why?

[–] lemonflavoured@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Authors need to be able to make a living from writing, unless you want far less books to be written. And there is some logic in allowing them to leave some sort of rights to their family, even if it's only for like 10 years.