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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Most sports are dominated by people with genetic gifts. But having a little extra testosterone from a genetic quirk is a completely different thing than having extra testosterone because you were born with testes.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yet the end result is the same, an advantage over those that don't have it. Why is one fair and one unfair?

Sport is arbitrary rules we decide. Some trans athletes are going to be better at some sports, not because of their trans status but because they work hard and train lots. It is just as unfair to exclude them in case another trans athlete has a genetic advantage, that most research says they don't have.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you have evidence that a cis woman with high testosterone remotely experiences the amount of testosterone produced by testes?

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 9 points 10 months ago

Sure https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7159262/

Also that trans athletes don't have an advantage after starting hormone therapy. https://www.cces.ca/sites/default/files/content/docs/pdf/transgenderwomenathletesandelitesport-ascientificreview-e-final.pdf

Although there are other studies which show an advantage for running (not at elite level)

[–] TerryMathews@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

We know things are different because of the way that they are.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It is one thing to have a quirk of the same organs, it’s another to be born with a different organ that effectively produces performance enhancing hormones.

But fine, then ban cis-women with unnaturally high testosterone.

[–] TerryMathews@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

You said it sarcastically, but doesn't that truly address the situation that you and others believe is occurring, in a non-discriminatory way?