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How did your life get better under Clinton (i'm being serious, i was too young to rememeber)
Wait a second. You said none of these things got better in any of your recent memory of the Presidency, but you're also too young to remember Clinton? In the U.S.? So you must be my age or a bit younger, within 8-10 years. I was taught a lot of this in school. Well as a route 66 overview here are a few paragraphs in brief.
In that timeline our only presidents were Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump. Clinton ended in 2001 ending with a surplus and extremely low unemployment, a trend which would continue for 2-3 years - and then Bush after his 8 years with a terrible response to natural disasters and the war led us into an extreme recession and deficit. Again. Which led to Obama's first term having to deal with a housing crisis, banks, and businesses all crashing and being bailed out.
I was born in the latest of the millennials and I remember all this living through it, and was also taught about Clinton in school as well as Desert Storm and its effects so I am a little at a loss here. But I did graduate before Betsy Devoss was made secretary of education.
By the time Obama was done, despite all the wars (or maybe because of..) and a couple of natural and biological disasters we were on a lowered trend of unemployment, housing was still an issue but slowly working down, the effects of the recession were finally beginning to fade. Some states were even generating surpluses due to the certain taxing and legalization of a certain something, though not all of it was being properly utilized due to how the laws were written (still widely true today).
Then 2016 happened and we're still recovering from the decisions made then on so many levels, from environmental protections and pollutant regulations, to literal repealing of women's autonomy and right over their own body. For what, some COVID money, if you qualified? What a trade, a few thousand for taking multiple steps backwards.
And now we're nearing the end of 3 years in on Biden. Remember how it took 2-3 years of lingering upward trend from Clinton to Bush? And how it took 2-3 years of recovery from Bush to Obama? That's a common historical trend among pretty much all transitioning Presidencies where the lingering effects of the previous administration is seen and felt during the current one. It's why generally 2 term (8 year) Presidents are able to be so effective, because unless there's a political gridlock the 2nd term is generally able to make lots of headway on the campaign policy they ran on.
Trump managed his bout so poorly that even without COVID in Jan-March of 2020 his "2-3 year trend" from Obama was run into the ground in a very young 2 years due to the sheer number of aforementioned policy decisions (the removal of the EPA, the removal of the CDC branches, the removal of pollution regulations on corporations...).
Now here we are again, today, at the end of Trump's 2-3 year trend. Still seeing the effects from COVID with businesses just barely beginning to show signs of recovering. Homelessness is still a massive issue with finally some minor strides being made in some areas but hardly overall. More than anything right now is the divide between political ideologies, if you can call human rights and health political. Double that divide due to the conflict outside of the U.S.
I would pay attention to this next year. And maybe get involved in local politics to find people passionate about making change within your community, it often gives you a wider sense of what people have felt. You'd also be surprised by the range of people you meet.
It's also always fun to take some classes on government and political science, it can really highlight a lot of the systemic issues and historical trends, such as how conflicts between the police and black communities and queer communities from the 70's and 80's are still happening today. From the murderer George Zimmerman who shot and killed a young man Trayvon Martin to over a decade later the murderer Derek Chauvin who killed a man George Floyd by suffocating him for nearly 9 minutes while pinned to the ground. Back to 40 years ago when so many of the same stories happened in New York and so many other states, like Stonewall and the Miami Riot.
The reason I went in on all this is because despite many shortcomings, the answer is a clear, definitive, one side consistently props up all people and the other tears it away. Despite some states having their own positions (say, California or Texas) the effects are still strikingly visible, in these last 8 years it's been a gaping tear and we have been living through the open wound. There are so many things to learn about but it's important to remember that the most effective changes are made locally by being present in your community and by staying vigilant by making sure history repeats itself with positive reinforcements and not negative ones.
To me it seems like the last time the average person got some help was back with the New Deal in the 30s. Some minor things have been done, but overall we've been heading downhill since
I know i glossed over civil rights, but we are quite literally killing the planet, seems like there are much bigger issues than how equally we treat people.
And how is everyone in the us doing? Living paycheck to paycheck? Barely making rent? Can't afford healthcare? Starving kids? Seems you aren't paying attention now
Guess what? I'm suggesting tthat there are actual issues, you are ignoring them. Would you rather us not talk about the issues facing us? Seems like you want to ignore all the bad in order to not sound "defeatist". I hope the world improves and i am waiting patiently, is that defeatist?
Sorry, didn't realize i was writing a dissertation for you. Wait 20 years and let me know how good life is for you with all the improvements you've been working on personally :)
Global warming, pollution, biosphere health, even wealth distribution. Which one has improved in the last 80 years? We try to improve and focus on unimportant bullshit while we literally let the world burn around us
Right cause civil rights is the only thing thats important, ignore any other thing that might not have improved right? I enjoyed this chat :)
When famine strikes, aren't you gonna be so happy our society is set up the way it is because the "needle" is moved far from where you want it to be
Right, cause your attitude will fix everything. Hope will save the day. You sound like you think life is a movie, reality is right around the corner and nature is not too kind to people who think they are above it
Doom is the path we have laid. You reap what you sow. Until we get off the path of doom, I'm gonna keep talking about trying to get us out of it. Seems you have plans to fix the world. I wish you the best of luck :)
When did i promote a mindset? I was just saying that this list
Is still true no matter who or what controls the government
Can you fuck off already. I get it, Civil Rights is literally the new Jesus ffs
Says the guy fighting me (an absolute idiot) and still not understanding what i am trying to say.
I think this sums it up nicely
You're the one on the bottom end of the bell curve here buddy.
Being ignorant of reality isn't fighting against doomerism.
You don't even know my approach so any comparisons you've made are invalid. Imagine having the ego to declare yourself right while being so wilfully ignorant.
Lmfao, how pathetic and fragile is that ego that you not only wrote all that but made 3 consecutive edits all because you have nothing better to do with your life, while you were on here trying to flex your ego I spent the last 16 hours fixing the world. Prove me wrong.
Thanks for the free rent.
Two messages! Both whining! If self awareness was a disease you'd be the healthiest person alive.
I love your incorrect assumptions they really reinforce your wilful ignorance. 😂🤡
I'm not even a doomer but you're too stupid and lacking in the capacity for cognizance for that to let your ego waver on that solid tower of idiocy. You've done such a fantastic job of showing how you're anything more than a lifeless keyboard warrior with nothing to do but rattle dead end ideas in your skull while you shut your eyes and ears. You're a muppet. All mouth, no brains.
That's not what those words said, didn't realise you had the comprehension of a child to go with the ego of one.
Lmao taking to yourself and making edits to avoid having me respond. Coward. What's wrong, don't your opinions have enough value to weather some pushback? Sounds like they aren't very strong convictions.
You're a like a wet fart, trying to be sneaky because you know you're full of shit.
😂
Ok grandpa, time to take your meds, they'll help keep all the imaginary doomers away.
good reply
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