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Seriously? What a stupid mistake to make. There should always be internal processes right?
Yup. I used to work for a much smaller tech company, and we had a perfectly reasonable process for dealing with cour orders and search warrants that involved crazy things like "get it in hard copy", and "verify the information contained in the order".
For some things, we would even just ask the officer to physically come in and that was weirdly never a problem.
And now they will probably overcompensate with frustrating security theatre beyond sensible precautions.
I see no problem whatsoever with having frustrating levels of obtuse security required before complying with a request from law enforcement.
There is no downside.
Maybe I am missing a joke, but why would a service provider need to jump through any security hoops to comply with a request from law enforcement?
You mean like... verifying it is a legitimate request from law enforcement? That kind of security hoop? Ensuring there is a warrant or subpoena? Ensuring proper security in transmitting the sensitive personal information?
Civil rights matter more than making cops' jobs easy.
OK but that would be entirely different security questions from the ones they ask clients.
I was talking about how frustrating it gets for clients, eg for social security I am a nominee for my Mother. I have to verify details of myself (since I am also on SS) then give them a password for my access to Mum, then (this is the stupid part) give them the details of Mum.
It is entirely redundant by the last stage and it may just be theatre or they may be doing it to piss people off so that they get angry and so the SS agent has an excuse to hang up. In Australia they are notorious for making things difficult and the subject of a Royal Commission which determined they are guilty of illegal shitfuckery (although I don't think the RC used that term).
Well the difference is, in this case it would be an increase in requirements in the situation that law enforcement requests information. I don't see how that, if implemented correctly, should affect the average person. Huge emphasis on that 'if.'
Oh dear, I forgot the point of the article, sorry. The guy was pretending to be a police officer. Thank you everyone for being tolerant of me. I don't know if I should delete my comment now or not.
We're mostly reasonable here, no problem. If anything, I agree with your sentiment that the red tape in front of many government services is weaponized to reject people service. It's definitely a problem and realistically, I could see a world where such failures of the system occur in most scenarios.
Just today: they asked for [verification of] ID number, name, DOB, address.
But for the address they asked further...
AGENT: "...and the postcode please?"
ME: "Google it"
The agent must have seen the absurdity of the question and did not insist on a postcode.
You would think a government system would be able to pull postcodes from addresses automatically, but...
She knew the postcode. It was a security question. My response was cheeky.