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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It's true not all liberals support this, but I've certainly seen a fair number hand-waving Biden's vocal support of this genocidal state as if it's no big deal.

Edit: "Fascism is good, actually." -liberals

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (38 children)

It's not that it's "not a big deal." It's that he's still the better of the two realistic possibilities. No Republican running for president will be harder on Israel than Biden is being (which is, admittedly, in no way hard), and they are all far worse on other metrics important to the left.

[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I remember Democrats telling me that the strategy was to elect Biden and then "hold his feet to the fire". When did that happen?

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[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Liberals: "Jeez this genocide is detestable for what it's doing to Biden's polling."

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's all a sick game to them. It's always about the polls and the next election. Sometimes I feel like they're incapable of any actual genuine empathy.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s always about the polls and the next election.

Isn't that what democracy is supposed to do? The elected leader should follow the will of the people. If the people are saying do X, the leader should do X despite his personal preference.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I'm referring to people who shield the current president from criticism of his genocidal practices by arguing that if we talk about these deeply disturbing things he's supporting and doing, it will somehow hurt his chances in the next election. Literally no consideration or empathy for the people being harmed by his actions -- just "well, he needs to win the next election." Extremely deranged.

If the people are saying do X, the leader should do X despite his personal preference

No. If the people are calling for genocidal or colonial practices, then no. You are using the same logic people would use to defend the anti-trans and anti-POC laws my own state has passed. The majority here may support them, but this does not mean they are immune to criticism, nor should they be. It's really anti-human and anti-progress to think otherwise.

Edit: I want people to really read this user's comments to me right here. This right here is the brainrot that privileged liberals bring to the table. Absolutely appalling behavior by this person.

Also, imagine thinking the only choices are tyranny of the majority or authoritarianism. Brain. Rot.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Shielding biden

Yeah, no ones doing that. Maybe some fringe morons but liberals don't worship their elected leaders

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This doesn't seem correct. Any criticism of a Democrat immediately elicits defensiveness and wild accusations of supporting Trump. I'm starting to think they're incapable of actual empathy. Imagine defending something like ICE or Israel.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Got a link? I'd love to call that Democrat a dumbass

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If the people are calling for genocidal or colonial practices, then no.

A just dictator is the best government. But that's not democracy. Many people are bad. We can only hope that a majority are good.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

While you talk about from a distance in terms of political theory, we have people suffering under Biden's leadership. It's people like you who enable these atrocities. It's all a sick game to you...

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It’s people like you who enable these atrocities

You have confused me with the majority of people. If the vast majority said do X, a leader in a democracy does X or will be voted out with someone who will do it.

Trump has promised to do worse to Muslims and Palestinians. A large percentage of the American population agrees with Trump and will therefore vote for him.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

I think a lot of people are just frustrated by the religious extremism which drives the conflict.