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TIL China is not communist.
China is communism. It might not live up to the all the rainbow unicorn fantasy dreams of a system where workers owns the means of the production and all the yada yada, but it’s communism.
How do you figure then?
Look, this thing might not be literally the one definition what I'm saying it is has, but it is what I say it is anyway because I say so.
Please list all communist governments that did not turn to be authoritarian
Here's a full list of all "communist governments" that weren't misusing the term "communist" from the start:
Name a communist government
The Cree did pretty well prior to European intervention
You might as well list all spheres with edges, languages without grammar and all people arguing on random articles about communism that know the definition of communism.
Cuba. The U.S fucked it up with sanctions.
Communism is a system where the means of production are owned by the state. And is the exact opposite of capitalism. China is not communist.
Communism isn't a synonym for a bad government.
Owned by the people not the state
Communism doesn’t really have government because that would put people above others
That's an over-simplification. Marx's stateless society was a prediction of the natural outcome of a post-capitalist world and is probably the most utopian aspiration of the philosophy.
Communism does not mean "no government". You need a government. Or rather, whatever system of decision-making and distribution emerges is the government. Any form of cooperation and collective agreement is government. Don't tell the anarchists, they won't get it.
It doesn't have to be heirarchal in the same way but ultimately if you live in a society then at some point someone is going to tell you what to do.
You have people with expertise come up and say x would be best
But no one is bound to it
And then three people say to the fourth, "stop driving your car through this garden" and there aren't laws or courts to handle the dispute so instead they use violence or intimidation.
People cannot self-police on a societal scale.
The state can’t police on a societal scale either because it will be more concerned with protecting itself than it’s people
It’s why we call it late-stage capitalism instead of capitalism
It’s why the flaws of late stage are the same flaws that it tried to fix in the Mercantilist systems
It’s the same flaws Moses tried to ban
It’s not a feature of Communism and your argument that it has to be because people can never tried Communism doesn’t work. It just means that communism doesn’t work because people can never implement it
If I'm honest, your point is being let down by your grammar.
The state polices on a societal scale to the benefit of the public all the time. Environmental and safety regulations on businesses is one of the most obvious and successful. We can see historically and currently that, without the credible threat of legal consquence, people will just leave their trash wherever or over-harvest fish and game or accidentally set fire to a forest. Like, it happens anyway all the time but on a smaller scale.
Late-capitalism mostly describes how everything is commodified and owned by a handful of multinational megacorps. It's got nothing to do with the specifics of Bronze Age mercantilism, nor much to do with the definition of government nor heirarchal systems within society. Regulatory capture is a big problem but that's not unique to the current system. Without the current governments these corporations would just be cyberpunk Corporate States at best or warlords at worst.
Anarchist communism, in my opinion, doesn't scale well beyond the neighborhood and is rubbish at the kinds of efficiencies needed to sustain billions of people.
That’s not Capitalism
Also in practice it just offshores the damage
You're saying that we shouldn't have environmental regulations because all it accomplishes is polluting somewhere else? As if industry doesn't exist in places where they aren't allowed to dump all their waste in the nearest river?
Did you want to be capitalist or not?
No.
That’s closer to socialism.
Communism is a stateless, hierarchy-less system where the people are in charge.
The state owning anything or existing is antithetical to communism.
China is without a doubt not communist, it’s purely capitalist with a strong dose of authoritarianism on top.