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[–] Definitely_me@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 11 months ago (9 children)

The knesset member who suggested nuking gaza is truly one of the dumbest nutcases israel has to offer. Not only will such an act be terribly cruel, it would also hurt places like tel aviv, which is just 50 KMs from the strip, and harm millions of Jewish Israelis (who are presumably the nationality he seeks to strengthen)

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Nutcase and cruel yes, not necessarily dumb though.

Modern nukes that react all the fuel in the explosion, are not like the dirty bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that only reacted 10% of the fuel while spreading the remaining 90% around. Then again... if the alternatives on the table are chemical and biological weapons, why not add a dirty bomb, right?

harm millions of Jewish Israelis (who are presumably the nationality he seeks to strengthen)

Some think that having more martyrs is a way to strengthen their side. One could argue that the latest iteration of the original One Million Plan to populate Israel, consisted precisely in creating martyrs (inciting prosecution of Jews in Islamic countries, so they would immigrate to Israel).

[–] StrayCatFrump 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This is a terrible take by someone who has heard plenty of propaganda by the arms industry but knows absolutely nothing about physics. Many of the products of the primary and even secondary nuclear reactions from a nuclear warhead are themselves radioactive and have long enough half-lives to do tons of damage in both the short and long terms. Whether or not there is radioactive material spread around is not simply a question of whether some of the original fuel remains unspent.

If all you're doing is spreading war propaganda, log off and go rethink your life.

EDIT: Folks, start here and read other materials by the Union of Concerned Scientists. Don't let this bullshit whitewashing of the dangers of nuclear weapons, their use, and their testing go unaddressed. And speak up against this kind of propaganda showing up in our communities—especially leftist ones.

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Before insulting me, you might want to try quoting the part where I said whatever you are disagreeing with, you might find there is none.

Feel free to log off and take a few deep breaths.

[–] StrayCatFrump 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nah, dude. There's plenty to disagree with in the parts of this message and your other reply down below where you try to imply modern nuclear weapons are clean and pose little to no risk beyond that of conventional weapons. Gaslight all you like, but your words are right there for all to see (unless suddenly they gain an edit timestamp after that of this comment, of course...).

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

where you try to imply modern nuclear weapons are clean and pose little to no risk beyond that of conventional weapons

I don't. What I said is:

  1. Modern nuclear weapons are less dirty than the two used so far against any population.
  2. Israel might not care about the previous point, and actually prefer a dirty bomb.
  3. In modern nuclear weapons, the yield and area affected (both by the explosion, and by the fallout) can be controlled with high precision, starting at a level comparable to that of largest conventional weapons.
  4. The US honed that skill by turning nukes into a tourist attraction for its own citizens over 60 years ago.
  5. The city next to the area they used for that, not only still stands, but has flourished since.

Again, feel free to quote any part of my comments if you think I said something different (don't give me a chance to add "an edit timestamp"... 🙄) or if you just want to discuss it.


PS: I will edit my comments if I feel it can make my point clearer, or if I change my mind, or even blank and delete them if I stop caring about anyone reading them (did that to close to 30K comments on Reddit already, and it's not the first time; if you want to keep anything I've ever said, better make a copy while you can).

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