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[–] rosymind@leminal.space 93 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I haven't yet seen anyone else point out:

If the embryo was tested, they would know the sex before transferring it to the surrogate uterus (easily avoiding the problem). IVF is insanely expensive, as are surrogates. (Surrogates go for $50k plus per pregnancy)

Whoever did this comic is so willfully (and woefully) ignorant on so many levels that I wonder how they're able to function at all

[–] Gargantu8@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Wow $50k is not enough after seeing my wife go through pregnancy lol

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 13 points 11 months ago

Yeah, and the cost is dependant upon location. Surrogates tend to be women who have easy (or easier) pregnancies, who want to help other people in need.

I'm not saying that desperation or exploitation don't happen, just that generally surrogates are people who are doing it out of love for other people (not for the money)

[–] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

Yeah I'm not giving up all my bone density for $50k rofl

[–] totallynotarobot@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Not disagreeing with your comment, but $50k??? That's IT??

What a fucking insult. That is some straight up exploitative shit.

[–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's just the cash payment. All of the medical stuff is paid for, usually further amenities so the surrogate maintains low stress and such for the health of the baby.

[–] DroneRights@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Giving birth can stop you from working for a few months. Given this, if you're working as a surrogate you may have to give up important career opportunities. 50k is a pretty low price on that missed work.

[–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

You're not wrong, but I was extrapolating based on the other individuals perception.

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 6 points 11 months ago

If it makes you feel better, it's usually more. There are a lot of factors, including how much the surogacy agency gets for their cut, which state or country, if they are a family member or friend, whether the parents are able to add a surrogate on their insurance, etc.

We looked into it because I'm older and thus higher risk, but ultimately decided against it. My neice even offered to carry our kid, but I just feel too guilty. I'm kind of whatever on having children but my husband has dreamed of being a dad since he was a lil' boy

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

That's why you get a woman from a third world country that can retire in leisure on these $50k.

[–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

They don't even draw good neither

[–] Mobilityfuture@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago

Not to mention to pick sex pre fertikization they just sort the fast swimmers from the slow ones

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's illegal in many countries to test for sex before birth to prevent an imbalance.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Care to back that up, in particular with regards to IVF? Because that sounds like bullshit

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

India, China, South Korea, Nepal, and Vietnam. These are countries that have the tradition where the male heir(s) provide of their parent's retirement and the female hair(s) get married off and don't have a financial expectation to their parents.

[–] oascany@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Not sure about IVF, but in some countries with a high rate of female foeticide, pre-birth sex determination is illegal; although it is still practiced.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why don't you just Google it you dunce.

Here's the list of countries JUST IN EUROPE where it's illegal: Denmark, France, Germany, Hungary, Lithuania, Norway, Slovenia, Sweden, Netherlands, and the UK.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's no need to be a dick, thanks for the info

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Answer the question. While being ignorant, in a thread that started by accusing people of being ignorant, would you ask others to back something up when the information is readily available?

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is a platform meant for discussion and I offered scepticism and further discussion. You're being a dick.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because I called you a dunce for being ignorant in a thread accusing other of ignorance? Yeah. You're objectively a dunce kiddo.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I never accused anyone of ignorance, and ignorance of niche topics is not a bad thing whatsoever. The solution to ignorance is inquisition and knowledge development, which I displayed. You're projecting a lot of insecurity and needless hostility, quit being a dick.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You said it sounds like bullshit. Something that takes seconds to google for yourself. That is a bad thing, and nothing to be proud of.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

I'm done arguing with you. Good luck in life

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You realize that 1. Burden of proof is on the one making the claim, and 2. If someone asks the question it doesn't mean they were the one to downvote you?

You really shouldn't let them get to you so much. People ask questions.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm sceptical that the burden of proof is on the one making the claim, prove it.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 0 points 11 months ago

This list is outdated it seems, it's illegal in most of Europe now.