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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know if you're just shamefully ignorant or intentionally lying, but what you're saying is demonstrably false.

Let's start with the fact that RAND published an actual paper on extending Russia which outlines precisely the scenario we're seeing.

Plenty of western experts have been saying this for many decades. This only became controversial to mention after the war started. Here's what Chomsky has to say on the issue recently:

https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/

https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/

Academics such as John Mearsheimer gave entire lectures on the subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

50 prominent foreign policy experts (former senators, military officers, diplomats, etc.) sent an open letter to Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion back in 1997:


George Kennan, arguably America's greatest ever foreign policy strategist, the architect of the U.S. cold war strategy warned that NATO expansion was a "tragic mistake" that ought to ultimately provoke a "bad reaction from Russia" back in 1998.


Jack F. Matlock Jr., US Ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987-1991, warning in 1997 that NATO expansion was "the most profound strategic blunder, [encouraging] a chain of events that could produce the most serious security threat [...] since the Soviet Union collapsed"


Even Gorbachev warned about this. All these experts were marginalized, silenced, and ignored. Yet, now people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that Russia attacked Ukraine out of the blue and completely unprovoked.

The only thing disgusting here is ignorant people such as yourself cheering on a war that's killing thousands of people and ruining lives of million of others. If you want this war to keep going, then go and volunteer and put your deplorable ass on the line. Wanting other people to die so that your ideology prevails is beyond deplorable.

[–] Potatofish@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only a few words are necessary in response to your wall of text. You are ridiculous. It's sad to see someone put so much effort into being so disgusting.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Frankly I don't care one bit about what you might think. What presented are basic facts, and if you can't engage with reality then your opinion is not worth considering.