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[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Western liberals are not shouting death to Iran at every rally nor are they conducting escalatory actions that are not proportional. There is a distinctive difference. Sanctions are ramped up and down in direct response to rhetoric and violent actions by proxies around the middle east. You are apparently blind to these.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The west actively boycots Iran and prevents it from engaging in trade. They have bombed an Iranian general at an airport without being in war.

Iran is the party here that unironically is defending itself. The west is the agressor.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

An Iranian theocratic general in Iraq that was absolutely in no way involved in the destabilisation and insurgency in Iraq. He was just there for holiday. Wake up. If that wasn't enough for you then maybe the active supply and support of Russia against Ukraine is. I suppose those Iranian Soldiers that were hit in Ukraine were there for the beaches then?

I addressed all of this in my original comment concerning proxies and proportional responses.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Iran sides with anyone who is against the west right now and from their point of view they are completely justified.

America bombed one of their Generals without provocation and is actively boycotting them.

America doesn't give a shit about Ukraine either, they are about to drop them and fuck them over just like they did to the Kurds.

The West has ravaged the middle east and Africa to steal natural resources.

All democracies were assassinated to install American puppets in the middle east and French and British ones in Africa. (remember the South African Apartheid???)

What we are seeing in Palestine today is what the west (first mostly Britain and France, now also America) has been doing for a century now.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Iran sides with anyone who is against the west right now and from their point of view they are completely justified.

Yes and you do realize how that supports my narrative, right?

America bombed one of their Generals without provocation and is actively boycotting them.

See your own comment above for provocation.

America doesn't give a shit about Ukraine either, they are about to drop them and fuck them over just like they did to the Kurds.

No you, also fuck you for thinking we don't care. Some of us care too much.

The West has ravaged the middle east and Africa to steal natural resources.

Natural resources that we let the locals control...

All democracies were assassinated to install American puppets in the middle east and French and British ones in Africa. (remember the South African Apartheid???)

Democracies are perpetually at odds with liberal values. I'm not going to discuss the nuances with someone as black and white as you.

What we are seeing in Palestine today is what the west (first mostly Britain and France, now also America) has been doing for a century now.

If you think that's bad, you should see literally every war ever involving a city.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Putin has killed less Ukranian civilians since his invasion than israel has done in a month.

You're actually comparing bombing a concentration camp with 2 million people to "city warfare". This is Nazi apologism tier mental gymnastics. You should be ashamed of your racism but you're proud of it.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Putin has killed less Ukranian civilians since his invasion than israel has done in a month.

The fact that you seriously wrote this is legitimately funny to me. You are so far up the Russian propaganda hole that there's no recovering you.

It is a city. A concentration camp is something that is made for production and absolutely involves disarmament. This does not meet a single definition unless you are basing your entire worldview off Russian state sponsored media.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

https://johnmenadue.com/grim-milestone-civilian-deaths-in-gaza-exceed-those-in-ukraine/

You seem to be the person in the propaganda hole. Amazing with so much video evidence of the israelis committing murder out there.

It's very sad to see someone openly support israeli genocide. Especially with how many innocent children are being massacred by israel.

The war crimes Russia committed in Bucha pale in comparison to the complete genocide israel is committing right now.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you think that only 7481 civilians have been killed in Ukraine, I don't know what to tell you in terms of how believable you think your narrative is.

Literally more Ukrainian civilians have been killed than Gazan's in their entirety, even if you believe the Palistinian authority claims that not one air strike has resulted in a legal insurgent death.

Your source uses out of date data from Ukraine and additionally data biased to government confirmed civilian deaths which is biased by the Palistinian authority. It's literally a perfect example of propaganda.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/

I'm not entirely sure but is this inaccurate? If not what's the real number of civilians killed in Ukraine?

[–] 01011@monero.town -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's no need to shout death to anyone when your policies cause death. Or when your military spending is greater than everyone else's combined. Or when you have a legacy of causing death en masse, on a whim.

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess your solution would be for all restrictions on Iran to be lifted? Honestly I'd love that too. They are somewhat counter productive and the poverty they cause in turn causes extremists.

The harsh truth though is that if the world stopped looking for a year or two Iran would do exactly what they've said they'd do....several nuclear bombs going off in Israel and probably elsewhere.

The theocracy there is seriously unhinged - again you should take a look for yourself.

(Also I'm not American nor does their military spending eclipse all other countries - and almost every country has a legacy of death so careful pointing fingers)

[–] 01011@monero.town -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The lie that Iran would suddenly launch rockets at Israel is tired and old. It sounds too much like the old Cold War accusations leveled at the Soviet Union that were nothing but projection.

Iran's theocracy is no more unhinged than their counterpart in the United States - those who push for the liberalization of global markets so as to allow American capital interests to cannibalize the planet, for the good of mankind, of course...

America is currently unrivaled in its legacy of carnage, both at home and abroad. At least two genocides at home and countless wanton killing sprees and invasions abroad - in the name of "democracy", "free markets", "liberty" and the other beloved slogans of Uncle Sam.

If anyone should be mistrusted in this equation it is the entity that has a track record of invading sovereign nations, supporting genocide at home and abroad and pushing economic policies that have an extensive track record of failure and extreme human suffering.

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Fascinating! Who do you think is lying about Iran exactly? You can, at any time, google one of the many, many videos of Iranian officials stating they want to wipe out Israel. Are they lying?

I'd post a link but honestly there's no point as you wouldn't watch it.

There's the saying, 'You can wake someone who's sleeping but not someone pretending to be asleep '.