this post was submitted on 07 Dec 2023
678 points (100.0% liked)

196

16530 readers
2639 users here now

Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.

Rule: You must post before you leave.

^other^ ^rules^

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Shelena@feddit.nl 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (28 children)

In the Netherlands, we actually celebrate Sinterklaas (St Nicolas) on december 5th. It is when this guy comes to the houses of children to give them presents, like Santa does in the US, for instance. I even heard people say that Santa was derived from the figure of Sinterklaas, but I am not sure whether it is true.

In the weeks before Sinterklaas comes to the house, children put their shoes near the fireplace (and if they do not have a fireplace usually near the heater). They might sing some special Sinterklaas songs and put a carrot in their shoe for the which horse that Sinterklaas rides. Then during the night Sinterklaas and/or his helper Piet come on through the chimney and put smallngifts in the shoes. There are also a lot of other traditions around the Sinterklaas celebrations and there are cadies and cookies that are only eaten around this time like pepernoten and speculaas.

Sinterklaas has become controversial over the last few years, because according to the stories, he has helpers who are all called 'zwarte Piet' (black Pete). White people playing this character painted their phases brown or black and put on colorful clothing and black curly hair as well as making their lips red and put rings in their ears sometimes. One side of the argument says that they were representing black people or even slaves and basically that this was a case of blackface. The other side of the argument said that Piet was black because he came through the chimney and that this was not blackface. They also say that it does not matter to children whether Piet is black.

The people saying that Piet is racist seem to be winning the discussion. In most of the larger cities, Piet now looks less like a charicature of a black person and more like someone who came through the chimney. In other places they still have the traditional zwarte Piet. There is even some violence in some cases, where the people who think that Piet is a racist charcter will protest against it during the public parts of the celebrations for the children. They then get violently attacked by the people wanting to keep the tradition as it is

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Wait, Sinterklaas has a witch horse? How does that work?

Like, does the horse cast spells or curse people? Does it wear a pointy black hat? Does Sinterklaas ride a horse that, in turn, rides a broom?

Or is it a horse he adopted after a witch didn't want it anymore? If so, what did the witch need a horse for when she had the broom? As a pack animal? For companionship? To disguise the fact that she's a witch while traveling above walking speed?

[–] NightFantom 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's a white horse, OP's spell checking failed a few times

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Aww, I'd become enamored with the idea of a witch horse pouts 😁

[–] Shelena@feddit.nl 4 points 11 months ago

Yes, sorry! I was a bit tired when writing this and did not check the text afterwards. :-(

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Lmao I hope the witch horse has better spell checking or someone is gonna have a bad time

load more comments (23 replies)