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Yeah, that also sucks, but on the other side Reddit had those too. Over half of leftist subreddits was plagued by them in fact.
I really liked /r/latestagecapitalism but I got banned for talking smack about China, and how the authoritarianism of the USSR and its child states didn't line up with the values they tried to espouse.
Permanently banned. Appeal ignored. Disappointing, but good riddance I suppose.
Tankies make us all look bad
They went to the deep end at some point. Though that sub was always somewhat weird, gave me astroturf vibes or that they've some hidden agenda. I think I've been banned from there as well.
Indeed, people tend to forget that the left-right meet isn't a half circle, but a full circle. You lean far enough one way on either side and you start wandering into the other side.
Nah, horseshoe theory is bullshit. Militant far left, and militant far right are shitty for very different reasons.
I wouldn't say it's fully bullshit. The far left and far right, despite having very different ultimate goals, do have one very significant common point in both being opposed to the status quo, and in that opposition, you see some common tactics and ideas develop, such as a tendency towards authoritarianism and an increased tolerance for violence.
Consider that weirdest kind of leftist who's so far down the "America bad" rabbit hole that they unironically support Russia's invasion of Ukraine, despite Russia being as close to a Christo-fascist sexist homophobic authoritarian hell hole as currently exists.
That's some real Enlightened Centrism bullshit right there.
To true nothing pisses tribalists off more than pointing out there tribes only really differ in style.
When the destination is militant authoritarism and fascists, how you got to that point doesn't really matter.
Fascists, alt-right, tankies, and other extremists will kill any chance we have of talking normally in this place, so they cannot be allowed to take root in the mainstream instances.
That’s simply false. Tankies are a nuisance, but outside of social media they basically don’t exist, and leftist activist groups are shunning them quickly, because they’re impossible to work with.
Leftist activists nearly universally reject violence against people, meanwhile there’s hordes of fascists hoarding guns, they’re (in) the police, they’re in the military, they’re actively threatening people, trying to overturn governments, and more.
If you think these things are even remotely comparable it shows you have no idea what you’re talking about.
horseshoe theory and the political compass are both kinda silly tho, left and right are more like collections of allied ideologies than a precise value that can be placed on a graph or spectrum.
Indeed, the world is far too complicated a place to be reduced to just one or two dimensions.
I'm somewhat fond of the "8 Values" test, which reduces the world to four dimensions. Still way oversimplified, but at that point people are far more likely to compare themselves and see "we may differ on this axis but we actually agree on this other axis," which is very helpful for discourse.