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Vice President Kamala Harris said in a meeting Saturday with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi that Washington will not allow for the forced relocation of Palestinians or any redrawing of the current border of the Gaza Strip.

“Under no circumstances will the United States permit the forced relocation of Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, the besiegement of Gaza, or the redrawing of the borders of Gaza,” Harris said, according to a statement from the vice president’s office.

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[–] Guydht@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Again, saying they just suddenly started getting weapons and killing natives is just ignoring the context.

As you said, Jews fled European countries because of antisemitism. But they migrated to Palestine legally buying land and working farms to grow their cities. There was no violence by immigrant jews, and no wars on arabs, like your idea of colonialism. Zionism isn't an empire looking to grow its control, it's finding a home, through legally bought land, in an historically significant place for the jews, after they were persecuted by pretty much everybody. Heck, most of the early killings were started by arabs who simply didn't like jews being next to them (Tel Hai, jaffa/haifa riots, jerusalem stabbings...)

Again, it's isn't an isolated conflict, and it has much context with so much hatred from both sides. Saying "they bad they killed the natives" is just losing 100% of the context and circumstances.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is a false. Many Zionists lived as regufees and proceeded to steal the houses of the Palestinians who took them in. Zionists are the worst of the worst. Scum of the earth

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Source?

Early zionism is literally just buying land from arabs in Palestine and growing jewish population in said areas. Idk where you got that info from, of alegged stealing of houses, but that just isn't true. Maybe you speak of the 48 war? Which is much later, and is after a full blown war, which everyone acknowledges that there were refugees from said war, and that jews inhabited abandoned arab houses after they left the country. It's like Syrian immigrants going back to Syria after years of being immigrants and demanding the current people who live where their house used to be (or whatever stands in that place) to give that house back to them. That just isn't how war or the world works.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

https://youtu.be/cWMobyQYSIc?t=18s

You have a very interesting way of speaking about ethnic cleansing. "the Arabs left their houses" lmao. Get out of here IDF shill.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Again, when does any of that "proof" video say jews stole land? And again, not the 48 war, since it has the cause of migration in the name itself - war. If war is ethnic cleansing then ohhhh boy are there many ethnic cleansing in the world, and Palestinians are so not special. Don't ignore context. Yes, many Palestinians were refugees. But no, it wasn't because of zionism. It was because of the war. Before the war, there were no Palestinian refugees - because unlike what Al Jazeera preaches, zionism was a settlement movement, and a peaceful one. If Palestinian arabs weren't violent in the resistance to zionism, there would've been no violence. But no, they were violent. Same with their arab neighbours, who want nothing more than death to their neighboring jews.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

1948 wasn't a war it was a violent israeli genocide against mostly unarmed Palestinian civilians.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

LOL I swear you have to be kidding.

Seriously, read a bit on the power balance at the time dude. On one side Israel with a much lower population and people who are Holocaust survivors, fighting after 2 weeks of training. And on the other side, you have the (actual full fledged powerful) armies of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Oh and also arab Palestinian militants - back when they could be called militants instead of terrorists, since they targeted military targets instead of civilians.

Seriously, just read even one sentence from someone who knows more than you, and see that the jews were by far the weaker side and it's a miracle they weren't slaughtered.

Oh and learn what genocide means, since you clearly don't know when to use it. Palestinians didn't get a genocide - they got immigration. They got casualties. They got humiliation. And guess what? That's what happens in wars. Especially wars you both declared and lost.