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Reposting this as an article since my first one with just the court documents violated rule 1.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24179145/bianco-v-lamington-farm-club.pdf

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[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

“Story based on nothing.”

Sure, that’s why there’s a court case already filed, and legal commentators generally agree Habba could be disbarred for gross misrepresenting herself while acting like a friend to the victim and manipulating her into signing an NDA, etc. Go sit down.

[–] squirmy_wormy@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

What happened is fucked up and has a slew of crimes associated, but sexual grooming is really only about minors.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You’re welcome to your definitions.

edit: and I’m sure that all the women groomed to be sex slaves by Allison Mack for the NXIVM cult would disagree, as would most of the reporting on that story. It doesn’t have to do with children, it has to do with being psychologically and/or sexually manipulated in various ways to feel loved, included, accepted, etc. No victims benefit from a narrow definition.

[–] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Isn't that what sex trafficking is? I don't mean to take anything away from the outrage, but using terms in their appropriate context is something that people malign the right with pretty frequently, e.g. the right calls everything an "insurrection" to diminish the use of the word. Sex trafficking is pretty abhorrent, but means something different than Grooming as far as I understood the terms. Habba is shit either way.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Go search “NXIVM groom.” I consider the discussion over.

[–] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I took your advice. The conclusion that I came to was that the charges brought in the NXIVM case were sex trafficking, racketeering, and others. The abuse with at least one of the victims began when she was 15 years old, so Grooming in that case seems applicable.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You should take some time to think about how asinine it is to draw a distinction between two people who went through the same thing because one was 15 and one was 19, much less any other age difference. The distinction that should be made is what kind of manipulations they went through that made them think they wanted to be in that situation, and for each person that entailed someone breaking down a part of their psyche until they were in a mentally childlike state, vulnerable to the types of programming they were subjected to. We remain in disagreement and I’m fine with that. And I’m not interested in your alternative viewpoint because, again, it’s asinine.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com -3 points 11 months ago