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That's where youre wrong. There are more than 2 parties. The 2 party system is atrocious.
There are only two parties that have a mathematical chance of winning. You can throw your vote away on a third party, hoping to get them 20x their highest ever turn-out in the hopes that they get more money if you want. But know that what you are actually doing is indistinguishable from simply not voting. Work on getting ranked-choice voting in your state first, then vote your conscience. Voting third party now just guarantees another 4+ years of Trump.
Get fucked and run a better candidate, Dems. When they don't they will be the only group responsible for the election of trump.
No, it'll also be the fault of idiots like you who think you get the privilege of voting for someone you really like instead of just getting to pick the least bad option. You have the chance to vote to keep trans people safe for another 4 years, to keep abortion legal on the federal level for the next four years, etc. You choosing not to do that in the desperate bid to feel like your hands are clean will directly result in harm to those around you. Your hands will be dirty either way.
Isn't the "privilege of voting for someone you like" called "your right to vote"?
You think my right to vote is a privilege?
But sure, according to this meme voting democrat is the only way to protect voting rights which don't exist and are a privilege
I won't be moralistically scolded into voting for the moderate wing of fascism.
Right, you'll instead be convinced to feel morally superior while supporting (by not voting against) the non-moderate wing of fascism. Won't you just feel so clean and superior while Trump harms the people you want to protect?
It's privileged to think that you have an inherent right to vote for someone who aligns with all your values. You vote for the person who has the best chance of winning who aligns most closely with your values. You vote for the person who has the best chance of stopping the fascist from winning.You have to be strategic with your vote as long as our system is FPTP. Or you can tacitly support the fascists while claiming to be morally superior by not voting.
"It’s privileged to think that you have an inherent right to vote"
There it is again
"You vote for the person who has the best chance of stopping the fascist from winning."
But you are a fascist. You don't support my right to vote. You support Joe Biden, who is continuing to build the wall, has not stopped putting kids in cages in concentration camps, is funding a genocide in Gaza, sat idly by while abortion rights got overturned instead of codifying Roe, and on and on and on. Every metric libs used to call Trump a fascist applies to Joe Biden. It's so boring.
"while supporting (by not voting against)"
Hang on, if I don't vote Trump that means I'm not voting against Biden. By your logic that means I am effectively supporting Joe Biden. So we're good then, I did what you want. Lmao, it never gets old how moronic democrats are. Endless free entertainment.
It might be helpful for you to read the entire sentence instead of just cutting it off halfway through to make it sound like a different sentence. You don't have the right to a candidate that agrees with you on everything, or even most things. You have the right to vote for the person of the available options that would do the most good and least harm for the country.
See, I'd you had finished reading that sentence earlier you would have understood. I'm gonna assume you haven't yet got full brain-damage and recognize that the Democrats, while not as good as they should be, are better in every measurable way than the modern Republicans, which are full-blown fascists. Save me the drivel about "scratch a liberal" and think for a moment about the actual differences. Is Biden going to sign a federal abortion ban or a ban on trans health care? Is Trump going to pass anything to help with climate change?
You can plug your ears and scream "but both sides are exactly the same!" As much as you like, reality shows that's not the case. Lives, especially of minorities, are measurably better under Democratic leadership than Republican leadership.
I support voting for Biden if the options on the table are Biden or Trump. I don't support all or most of what Biden has done, but it would take an idiot to think Trump would do any of it better than Biden.
Biden built a small section of wall after he was forced to by the previous administration. He has not approved or requested any additional funds to build any additional wall not already ear-marked by Trump.
He has stopped separating kids from their parents or families at the border with no documentation as the previous administration did. It's now only kids who cross the border without a parent or guardian. We could do better, but it is an improvement over the intentional damage done by Trump.
His support for Israel sucks, but are you somehow under the impression Trump would do better? The guy who moved the embassy to Jerusalem? The guys who put his son-in-law in charge of a peace proposal which would have given total control of Palestine to Israel in perpetuity?
What exactly did you want Biden to do when Roe was overturned? Use the nonexistent margin in the Senate or the house controlled by Republicans to change the court or force through a federal law? Unfortunately, because idiots like you didn't vote for the Dems in 2016 and allowed Trump to win, he got to set all the pieces in motion to overturn Roe. If idiots like you had voted against Trump we would not be in this situation.
Fascism: a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
Tell me how exactly Biden does any of those things, especially any of them more than Trump. Obviously I'd prefer someone better than Biden but that isn't the world we live in.
This is important, before you continue reading I need you to check that your carbon monoxide alarms are working in your house.
It's really simple, you either vote against the Republicans by voting for the Democrats and as a result things are less bad, or you do something else (vote third party, don't vote) and allow things to get worse.
You have the option to help make things less bad for you and those around you, but instead you feel like you can remain morally superior by throwing your vote away and pretending like you didn't have a hand in allowing the bad to happen. You do and you did. Not voting is still a choice you make, and you'll have to live with the consequences of. The fact of the matter is your selfish desire to feel superior will help the Republicans bring about full fascism, but it'll be worth it so you can tell yourself you're above it all, right? You are the guy standing at the switch of the trolley problem going, "Well at least I didn't pull the switch and kill those two people" while the train runs over 10.
Too long, didn't read
Trump's own voters won't be responsible? Weird.
Gaslighting people into thinking there are only 2 viable options is the reason why we're in this mess. Just saying.
Are you saying any third party has a mathematical chance of winning? It's not gaslighting when it's the truth.
It's literally a mathematical certainty. Every single Democrat would have to vote against Joe Biden for a third party, or else the vote would be split, and we'd guarantee a Trump win.
I don't know, I'm sure there's plenty of people on the right that don't like either candidate, and would probably vote for 3rd party if people would stop this nonsense that there are only 2 parties.
Any third-party run that pulls from both parties is gonna end up being an "enlightened centrist" group like No Labels and we'll get more of the exact same.
The majority of people do not hold extreme left or extreme right views. While the majority of democratic and republican candidatesaree trying to match up to the extremes of their parties, and you get the same results and nothing done. Why not have common sense take a shot at running things?