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I've posted this a few times but it fits here:
This country spent $8 Trillion on two wars over 20 years! That's $400 billion each year.
This country could have paid for all the chemotherapy 80 times over
OR we could have paid for rebuilding/fixing this countries infrastructure for a 1/3 of that cost.
OR America could have built out a National high speed rail
Or many many other things.
instead we killed thousands of people and got what in return???
Hey now, for a beautiful moment we created value for the rayethon shareholder. And thays all thay matters
With a national healthcare payor negotiating the cost of care you could possibly pay for all of it with that money.
My only issue is that your estimate of the number of people killed is missing 3 zeroes. It's more like millions.
still quite a bit away from "millions" the HIGHEST (by a significant margin) for Iraq is 1.033 million, and that is total excess death, not casualties and for Afghanistan it barely reaches 200,000 in 20 years
so no, Hundreds of thousands is correct, Millions is Soviet territory
More than a million is "millions". And if we're talking about total historical deaths attributable then the US has the USSR beat by a lot. Neoliberal capitalism is just as bloodthirsty as state capitalism, except the US had more time and power to kill people.
I don't think you anyone can beat Russia's and all of it's forms death toll in 20th+21th century.
They said Soviet so you're moving the goalposts, and I think if you really believe that Russia is worse then you need to educate yourself on US foreign interventions.
Russia is bad, but they haven't had nearly the global influence the US has had over the last century. The US is singularly militarily dominant. Any claims about other countries being bigger or badder is just fearmongering propaganda.
If we expand the scope to proxy wars then the US would have to be responsible for more deaths than any other single entity in human history by a large margin, many of which come from outright genocides. They are a global superpower. They are an amoral powerbroking machine.
They said Soviet territory . It is vague form of point to "Russia & company" among else witch BTW even during Soviet era had causee millions of people to die. Difference is though your comrades kept it secret while US made a lots of their shit public over the years. You have no idea what they did in under the wing of east block if you talk like that.
First of all, don't call them my comrades. The people I'd consider comrades in that area, the anarchists, were betrayed and slaughtered by the USSR. A tankie wouldn't call the USSR "state capitalist" as I did.
Secondly, if you're referring to the victims as counted by the black book of communism, you know they counted hypothetical babies that might have otherwise been born in their victim tally? And they also counted Nazi combatants? It's an absolutely shameful work of revisionism, and the only reason it exists is to put smoke up as cover for the crimes of western capitalist imperialism.
And thirdly, are you saying that by "Soviet territory" they were referring to all former eastern bloc countries in both their past and present forms? What an absolutely wild thing to say. That is bizarre. I have never heard that construction before and it's clearly you reaching for something you can say to not be just simply wrong.
They were saying "in the realm of death count of the Soviets", which is also bizarre but at least it's a reasonable grammatical construction.
Nah I'm referinng to Russia & spol government mentality under any regime that works as follows: take millions of folks and grind them into meat if necessary for regime to stay at power, tell surviving women to bird 8 kids to be good people. Act as nothing happened and if someone asks question make them disappeared and blame west.
In return our billionaires got even more billions, and their servants in Congress got reelected.