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[–] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What’s easier to diagnose, your fuel pump just died or there’s a faulty diode on a board tucked up underneath literally everything?

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And modern ICE cars have all those same diodes. It isn't like you trade 2000 moving parts in an ICE vs 20 in an EV for 20 electronic parts in an ICE vs 2000 in an EV. The EVs have some extra battery conditioning electronics that ICEs don't have and some regen braking stuff, but they also don't have ignition timing, transmission controllers, etc. I'd venture that all washes out.

[–] bluGill@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Engines have been in mass development for 100 years or so. We have learned a lot about making them reliable. They have a lot of parts, but they rarely break. Most problems on modern ICE cars is not related to the engine or transmission (oil changes are not a problem) and so you end up with most breakdowns in an EV being things common to an ICE, plus the EV specifc stuff that we haven't figured out yet.

At least for the first 300k.miles or so. Then the ICE wears out.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Though, for the record an ev’a battery will last (at leas the last time I checked,) 100-200k miles

Which they may be using to ding EVs, even if it’s known and not really a “reliability” issue

[–] Maestro@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Electronic boards pretty much never fail in cars. They have no moving parts and the chips are encased in epoxy or resin. When it fails it's pretty much always connected sensors, cabling or fuses or other external parts. And the board can usually tell you what part if you read out the error codes.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

And the board can usually tell you what part if you read out the error codes.

That's no different than the car, basically. Mechanics don't really independently diagnose stuff on modern cars anymore. They plug in the OBD scanner and the car tells them what might be wrong.

[–] bluGill@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

There is always need for a master mechanic to figure out the hard / weird stuff. But for every one of them you need 6 parts replacers to read codes.

[–] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago

Right, but still. It’s always some crappy electronic part that wasn’t actually tested in the real-world use case, and so the wires aren’t shielded enough or a something. It’s always the same shit. “Oh, we cheaped out on this part because reasons.”