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I have seen this argument used against people who didn't like the Marvels.
Yeah, and it was also a dog whistle to conservatives to feel under represented and "oppressed" by the presence of a non white person as a superhero.
The people you're talking about can easily clarify it by saying "I don't like it, but I'm happy to see more women and people of color in these roles". Bish bash bosh, not a racist.
For example:
That Miss Marvel show didn't appeal to me because it was clearly a coming of age story made for young teens.
Okay, but that was you. There were thousands more broskis online that hated it simply because it reminded them that minorities exist.
Sure. But you can tell what they are because they say things like "the agenda" and "forced diversity," or spend time getting mad that a Marvel series had the nerve to be made for young people.
I didn't go see it because I'm burnt out on Marvel movie seemingly made MadLibs style with the same 3 predictable plots and a word bank of characters and settings.
Location: Your mom's house
Ok someone else pick the characters and plot.
no nuance, please... we aren't divided enough.
Or "I didn't like it, and I don't need a reason why"
Is that really how you talk to people?
My friends don't typically demand I justify my opinions.
What? How do you have a conversation with people without explaining your thoughts? In my head your conversations go like this lol
Person: Hey Ilovethebomb, you see the new marvel movie.
You: Yeah, I didn't like it.
Person: Really, why not?
You: I don't need a reason why.
So again, is that really how you talk to people. It can't be right?
You keep having conversations in your head.
I can only assume from your inability to answer my question that the answer is yes, you really do talk to people like that. What a strange way to go through life. Why join a social media network just to be antisocial lol.
You really just invented a hypothetical scenario in your head and got angry about it, didn't you?
Angry, no. More confused, I just found your comment interesting and asked you to clarify. You refused to, so I'll never know what you meant, which is fine. There's really nothing left to discuss then. Best of luck my friend 🖖.
Can you hear that whistling sound? No? Does that mean it isn't there?
They have Homelander, what more do they need?
I'm allowed to not like things without having to justify myself.
Well, yeah. Both Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel were met with extreme vitriol from people who would rather not see a woman in their super hero universe. Should we expect those people to have gone through a maturation process in the last 4 years?
The problem comes when you dislike these not because there was a female lead but because the writing was shit.
But because woman lead men sexist for no like.
Though tbf it really comes down to most writers not knowing how to write female leads.
It's a bigger problem that barely has to do with the specific shows or movies. Marvel Studios has mostly been coasting since Endgame. It also didn't prioritize female led properties, so they're all coming out in this coasting period. This means they might be on average not as good. It's not directly because they're female led, but it is sort of indirectly because of that.
This comes off as you being one of the people who rejects criticism
This isn’t a discussion of the media, it’s about people rejecting criticism
The issue is when it's used to silence criticism about the many other issues with the film.