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And the FBI was assigned to follow the film team on reports of a "vaguely middle-eastern man with a bear in an ice-crem truck", which has to be the funniest report xD

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[–] FrenLivesMatter@lemmy.today -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

“In my country there is problem and that problem is the Jew”

https://youtu.be/Vb3IMTJjzfo

Yeah, you could argue that he was only making a joke or a political statement about latent antisemitism that was already present in society, but if he were the police (and he kinda IS policing antisemitism now), this would be called entrapment.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you could argue that he was only making a joke

What do you think Borat was, a bloody documentary?

[–] FrenLivesMatter@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're missing the point. He deliberately encouraged people to express antisemitism and now he's complaining that people are expressing more antisemitism.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you think the people joking about things as he does, want more anti-semitism? Do you think he is responsible because they expressed their actual feelings, whereas he was doing it for comedy? Their feelings existed whether he drew it out or not.

[–] FrenLivesMatter@lemmy.today -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, if an undercover cops manages to instigate you to do something illegal, the underlying desire to do it must have already been there, otherwise you'd just tell him to fuck off. But entrapment is still illegal because if he hadn't provided you with a chance to do it, you may not have followed through after all.

What you seem to be saying is "entrapment is fine as long as it's done to people I hate".

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

now he’s complaining

Where, by the way?

[–] FrenLivesMatter@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Apparently so, I just asked where. Your point is a fallacy though.

[–] FrenLivesMatter@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, okay then. The good old “you’re wrong because I say so.”

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not what a fallacy is.

[–] FrenLivesMatter@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Simply calling something a fallacy doesn't make it one.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't say it did, but it was a fallacy, and your response doesn't negate that.

[–] FrenLivesMatter@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah unless you can explain WHY it's a fallacy, that's just your opinion.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't have to explain everything to you. You can search online for what a fallacy is to understand the concept first, then look at why I said it.

It's still not my opinion just because you don't understand it.

[–] FrenLivesMatter@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand the concept of what a fallacy is. But like I said, unless you can explain what KIND of fallacy you think my argument is, simply calling it a fallacy thinking you've proven anything is a fallacy in and of itself. I don't need to make your arguments for you if you want me to be convinced of what you're saying.

Adding an ad hominem on top just shows you have no idea what a fallacy even is.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"that’s just your opinion" "It’s still not my opinion just because you don’t understand it"

About the same. You aren't willing to be convinced of anything as I said, so no point anyway.

[–] FrenLivesMatter@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago

I'm willing to be convinced by reason and evidence, but you have provided neither.

I don't care about your opinion AT ALL.