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The one where trans women play in the women's league and trans men in the men's. If it causes any sort on unfairness we would have seen it by now.
We have. That's why it's a dumb idea.
Where? All the hyped up news stories have been titles like "trans woman destroys women in insert sport here" but if you look into it they took 600th or something and beat maybe 10 women.
That is what tons of folks fights against. But i agree it makes sense. However, is taking testosteron considered doping for females or is it OK? if it's OK, why other "chems" are not allowed?
The testosterone for trans men is just to get to the levels that average cis men have, I'm pretty sure they test for excess testosterone. Some medication is allowed for sick athletes that is considered doping for anyone who isn't sick, like the therapy for increasing blood oxygen levels which is a common form of doping but is a valid treatment for some illnesses.
Medication for sick people seems kinda different thing to me than being healthy and chumming chems to gain muscles.
So testosterone for female( born) athletes should be allowed until they reach avg male(born) level? Is that really a thing we want to introduce into sports ? Will steroids also count as getting to avg male upper muscle mass ? Where is the line? Won't that make female athletes either obsolete or force them to chems chumming which then can cause them health issues given that most of them propably don't plan to transition and might want start families etc?
For trans men they get like an injection of testosterone, they aren't getting it to play sports, it's medication for dysphoria. I haven't said anyone else other than trans men should be taking it and definitely nothing about steroids.
The point i wanted to send across is that it gives athlete an advantage. So people will be incentivized to get it. And also those who do not get it will be at disadvantage. So if one form of chems advantage is allowed why others are not? Isn't that exactly the source of the issue here, fairness?
How does it give athletes an advantage?
What do you mean? I explained it in the posts above. So shortly It's basic biolgy. E.g. testosterone makes changes in the body.
If you have the same testosterone levels as everyone you are competing against it doesn't give you an advantage.
Intersting so female taking testosterone and female not taking it have same level of testosterone. I guess trans people are taking hormones needlessly if that is the true.
What? I said trans men take testosterone so their hormone levels would be on the same level as any other men competing.
I read it but you ignore what i said that is, some people may be incentivized to get the treatment, they don't need with aim to gain advantage. e.g. Female + testosterone in women sports or male identifying as women in women sports. In that sense it's similar to doping.
Women already get their testosterone tested to compete in the women's division in most sports and trans women don't seem to have any real advantage over other women after hormones so it doesn't seem to be an issue.
if there was no issue we would not be talking about the topic in the first place. It seems that multiple sports organizations after mixing trans people with females in women categories lead to issues, I somehow don't believe that all of them figured it out of transphobia or something. Meaning there was issue in fairness.