this post was submitted on 21 Nov 2023
234 points (92.4% liked)

World News

38563 readers
2482 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

The International Cricket Council has become the latest sports body to ban transgender players from the elite women’s game if they have gone through male puberty.

The ICC said it had taken the decision, following an extensive scientific review and nine-month consultation, to “protect the integrity of the international women’s game and the safety of players”.

It joins rugby union, swimming, cycling, athletics and rugby league, who have all gone down a similar path in recent years after citing concerns over fairness or safety.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] darq@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To be clear, that wasn't the argument that I was making. In my comment I was only pushing back on the common tendency in these discussions to talk about transgender women as if they were simply cisgender men. People say, uncritically, things like "oh it's common sense to ban [transgender women] because we know that men on average are faster and stronger". But transgender women on HRT are significantly different, biologically, to cisgender men.

It's perfectly fine to talk about advantages remaining after HRT is started, and for how long they remain. But that isn't what is happening when people talk about transgender women as if they were cisgender men. That is completely ignoring the effects of HRT, making a proper discussion of the relevant facts impossible.

It's also worth pointing out that, transgender women make up 0.5-1% of all women. So it shouldn't surprise us if transgender women make up 0.5-1% of top female athletes. That's proportional.

In reality transgender women are under-represented at the highest levels. While even singular examples of transgender athletes performing well are treated as obvious proof of advantage. That's very lop-sided rhetoric.

The discussion around this topic is terrible, with a lot of people being quite confidently incorrect about basic empirical facts, while arguing theory.

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The discussion around this topic is terrible, with a lot of people being quite confidently incorrect about basic empirical facts, while arguing theory.

Oh boy, here we go. He's just upset we're not treating his agenda as tried-and-true fact. Mad we're having a discussion at all that doesn't revolve around telling him he's right and we know nothing.

[–] seukari@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Boo! Stop being a douche and attack their arguments. Attacking them personally just makes you look petty.

[–] darq@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's like you ignored everything else I wrote, to hyperfocus on one sentence, in order to take offense at something I didn't say.

Mad we’re having a discussion at all that doesn’t revolve around telling him he’s right and we know nothing.

From my comment: "It's perfectly fine to talk about advantages remaining after HRT is started, and for how long they remain. But that isn't what is happening when people talk about transgender women as if they were cisgender men. That is completely ignoring the effects of HRT, making a proper discussion of the relevant facts impossible."

Please at least try reading.

[–] seukari@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm not the intended recipient but thanks for a considered response. Even if I can't fully agree, it was a much better approach