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[–] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah no, the person behind the human shield wants to kill you and your family and is actively trying to accomplish said goal.

[–] hh93@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah it's pretty much the equivalent of the trolley-problem in real life.

The question is how many casualties are "valid" before the cost is too high - and that's just a morally impossible choice to make prefectly

People that pretend it's a black and white question and that either pretend the IDF is 100% wrong or the IDF is 100% right are just ignoring one side if the issue completely.

In general I'd say the IDF is more often right than wrong in this conflict but they obviously fucked up, too - but at least for them it's not the intention to cill civilians other than for the people they try to actually get to

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Shooting hellfire missiles at crowds from helicopters, just a regular Thursday oopsie daisy.

[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The people killing human shields are just as shitty as the people using human shields. Both are terrorists.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Would be the best for the first asshole not to take human shields to begin with.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry I can't hear you over a settlement being bulldozed. Wait a second for the bulldozers to stop.

Oh silly me...they don't stop.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Are you trying to justify using human shields?

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I literally never said that. Youre doing the bad faith thing.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Friend, I'masking you because I was baffled what your comment had to do with anything. I still am. Could you explain the relevancy?

[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're not wrong, but that's not what's happening, and it's still not an excuse.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

but that's not what's happening

What do you mean?

[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean we're in a situation where civilians are being used as human shields. It would be nice if we weren't, but that's not what's happening.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean we're in a situation where civilians are being used as human shields

Because Hamas took human shields. They could have not taken them. But yes, it happened and it's not like it can be taken back now.

[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And it still doesn't justify IDF massacring thousands of Palestinians.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -1 points 11 months ago
[–] Infinitus@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can we stop using the word terrorist for something that it obviously not terrorism? Terrorist use terrorism to strike fear into the population of a more powerful state and hope for and overreaction that would play into their cards. I can only see one terrorist organization here. But, the IDF is that overreacting oppenent.

[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're right. Starving out civilians and bombing their homes doesn't make IDF terrorists. It makes them war criminals.

[–] Infinitus@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

That would be a much more correct term.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And so you're justified in killing an unlimited amount of children to get to them.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Again, it's the trolley problem. No one is saying unlimited amount.