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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Freedom for Catalonia! They voted 90% in favor for independence, Spain's government claimed that the vote invalid, then jailed the politicians who organized the referendum.

[–] resketreke@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The government didn't claim the vote invalid, the vote was illegal from the beginning. And even then, they barely got past 40% positive votes, what would you do with the other almost 60% of the population? And that's assuming everyone took it seriously and voted.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's some very slippery phrasing. 40% turnout does not mean 40% of the vote.

[–] resketreke@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe I didn't phrase it correctly, let me try again. Of all the people who voted, only a bit above 40% voted yes.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Source? Every report I've read shows over 90% in favor.

[–] resketreke@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

You're right, I mixed dates and numbers. It was ~40% turnout, and then in 2019 a poll showed that ~40% of Catalans wanted independence. That's where I got my numbers wrong I think.

[–] weirdEd@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

No thats also wrong. 40% of People eligible to vote voted yes, which is 90% of People who voted

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the central government claims the local independence referendum is invalid, then the central government should host an independence referendum under whatever rules make it legal and binding, at the option of provincial leaders. If that can’t be done, then the breakaway province should consider itself an occupied territory and any means to oust the occupiers should be seen as self-defense.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thats the problem though. The Spanish constitution explicitly says that the country is indivisible. Therefore any independence referendums are against the constitution/illegal. And that's the reason why the proponent of the referendum are persecuted.

The next step should be to amend the constitution, but I'm not sure the rest of Spain would allow it

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

In that case I see no problem if Catalonia just declares itself an occupied territory and liberates itself.