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[–] 257m@sh.itjust.works -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Hamas barely has any power against Israel and two wrongs don't make a right. Killing children is off limits period. Dosen't matter who is hiding behind them. Also the children are not Hamas's kids. If you decide to shoot a innocent child you deserve go to hell there is no buts.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hamas barely has any power against Israel

Indeed. It would be nice if they would acknowledge the reality of their situation. Maybe they would release the hostages, lay down arms, and sue for peace, if they acknowledged as you do that they don't have any hope against winning against Israel with violence.

the children are not Hamas’s kids.

The children that they hide behind are Palestinian children. Hamas is the government of Gaza and every citizen there is under their jurisdiction and control until they are deposed; i.e., "theirs."

two wrongs don’t make a right

War is always ethically shitty, but I see no other option for Israel at this point. If they don't meet violence with violence and achieve meaningful objectives to keep themselves safe in response to Hamas' mass slaughter, it's just begging for more of the same in the future. War is what happens when deterrence fails, perhaps this will serve as an example to those who would consider attacking Israel next time of the consequences.

If you decide to shoot a innocent child you deserve go to hell there is no buts.

Israel's intention is not to shoot children being used as shields. It is to neutralize the one shooting from behind them, even if there's significant risk of hitting a human shield. This devalues the strategy and discourages such people from using human shields in the future. It's the same reason one does not negotiate for hostages, it encourages future hostage taking. You let this be a viable strategy that deters reprisal, expect more of it.

[–] 257m@sh.itjust.works -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't want to flame but I am just going to put this here: A person was faced with the choice to kill a innocent child or not do anything. They chose to kill a innocent child. Doesn't matter who is behind them you still shot to kill the child. They deserve to burn.

[–] GingerHobbit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Kill a child or watch the person behind the child kill your child. Ftfy

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago

Something about two wrongs...

[–] 257m@sh.itjust.works -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No you killed a child period. This has nothing to do with your child dying. Killing a child dosen't stop your own child from being killled.

[–] Ethanice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Except in this situation, it literally can stop your child from being killed.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] burchalka@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

For strangers arguing on internet it's a mind game. For some IDF soldiers it's a messed up reality, and their daily struggle

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Hamas barely has any power against Israel

I mean this is demonstrably untrue considering the attack where they killed and kidnapped hundreds of innocents.

That doesn't make Israel's response even remotely justifiable of course. But Hamas is not some plucky rebel group throwing pebbles. They're dangerous and need to be removed from power in a method that doesn't kill babies.